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  1. Angélique
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    Angélique aka Angel (only by name)

    I understand your difficulties, as the Trump Princess makes the Donald related to this thread too, since it's an ocean going yacht, I believe...

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    Her current name is Kingdom 5KR.
     
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    Ohhhhhh, you took my best post.
     
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    Sorry -- it's just not in the best interest of the site long-term to host any posts which appear to promote war or violence towards anyone, even if satirically.
     
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    A little bit of thread drift is ok and unavoidable. However please take in-depth political and religious debates or any political jabs to another venue, which over time create more objections and friction than value added to the focus of the site. The purpose of the site is and will remain learning about and sharing knowledge on boats. Thanks for your understanding.
     
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    As Climate Change Accelerates, Floating Cities Look Like Less of a Pipe Dream | New York Times

    A California nonprofit, the Seasteading Institute, is raising funds to develop floating island-cities, to assist villagers living on low-lying islands in French Polynesia. Prototype costs would be $10-$50 million for housing a few dozen people - initially middle-income buyers from the developed world. It is expect that costs would decrease as production ramped up. Not everyone is convinced that engineering and environmental solutions for such a project have been satisfactorily developed.

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    A rendering of the artificial floating island project in French Polynesia.
    The project is being put forward by a California nonprofit, the Seasteading Institute,
    which has raised about $2.5 million from more than 1,000 interested donors.
     
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    Axioms can be changed, but not challenged. They are the foundations of a system. In fact, if you change them, a new system or method is created. For example, if you change the axiom in science that causes precede effects, it invalidates every experiment and conclusion in which science is based on.
     
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    How can an axiom be changed without challenge?
    So, there are no testable predictions.
    There are no other advantages to gw.
     
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    Axioms are arbitrary. They can be changed without a challenge. Depending on the system, predictions may or may not be testable. For example, Schrödinger cat theorem. in which the observer is always part of the observed system.
     
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    Oh, I see. I think you're saying you work with alternative facts. That would make sense.
    And still no examples of testable explanations and predictions of that thing we were discussing,
    or no more advantages of that other thing that was mentioned?
     
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    Do you understand Schrödinger cat theorem?
     
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    Was it resurrected or something?
    Are there certain advantages that come with it?
    Is it arbitrary?
     
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    Well, since there seems to be no valid challenges or rebuttals to global warming and climate change being anthropogenic, another ocean news topic that is becoming large is plastic pollution. Not the large pieces or even the micro sized pieces, but the nanoplastics. There's no doubt the problem is anthropogenic, they didn't exist until we invented them. There's no doubt that it's a problem, there are no advantages of the situation. They are in every body of water on the Planet, and on every beach on Earth. They are on the surface, on the bottom and everywhere in between. They accumulate in the food chain like heavy metals. They are able to pass through cell membranes. They tend to attract toxins and there is evidence they transport pathogens between continents. They are why the West Coast beaches have some of the heaviest concentrations of DDT in the world. As they break down into molecular size, they shed toxins. Of the various main plastic compositions, polyurethane is the worst, epoxy is medium, polyethylene almost benign. With polyethylene rated 1, epoxy is 7,000 and polyurethane 11,000+. A wash load of clothes can release 700,000 particles. The sea salt on your table is contaminated with it.
    It would seem the problem of nanoplastics might eventually affect how boats are designed, how they are built, even who is allowed to build them. Epoxy and polyurethanes might be regulated to where you need training and certification to even glue stuff together.
     
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    I didn't mean to promote nuclear war, and I apologize if that's how it sounded. I only predicted it and then listed a few advantages, possible global warming mitigation being one of 3 or 4.
    It was a bit heavy on the sarcasm though.
     
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    The floating city concepts always seem so pie in the sky utopian that they become the stuff of fairy tales.
    They don't appear to be so much solutions to anything, but more of a means of escape for wealthier people, seeking seclusion from the rabble.

    There are so many large problems to be overcome. The main one I see is security. It would be a magnet for pirate types attracted to the obvious wealth displayed, but it would be extremely hard to defend a small island from invaders. The thing wouldn't be mobile, to run and hide wouldn't be an option. Damage to infrastructure would be virtually unrepairable.

    The social organization structure is almost doomed from the start to be an autocratic, dictatorial, militaristic, authoritarian clusterclump.

    It would be such a high strung, technically reliant existence, the smallest failure in any one aspect of it might result in the rapid collapse of the whole system.

    If you are going to live on a created island and be practical about it, you have to adjust your thinking and give up the attempt to pretend you're not on the water. Space is at a premium, no shopping malls, no parks to let the dogs run loose. You're in water, a swimming pool is not needed. Separate docks are not needed. Trees are for land. Solar panels can double as structure.

    To be practical, I think ideas would better come from third world floating boat cities instead of dredged up subdivisions in Dubai.

    Practical is not so much fun and excitement though.
     

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