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  1. SamSam
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    http://forum.woodenboat.com/showthread.php?216460-Wow-!-Who-knew

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    http://www.rsc.org/images/Arrhenius1896_tcm18-173546.pdf

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    GREAT ONE....
     
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    - Wikipedia: The Scream last edited on December 13, 2016

    - Wikipedia: 1883 eruption of Krakatoa a must read ---> 3.4 Global climate a must read ---> 3.5 Global optical effects a must read last edited on December 15, 2016

    - The Age (Oz): Krakatoa provided backdrop to Munch's scream a must read December 11, 2003

    - CNN: Why the sky was red in Munch's 'The Scream' a must read December 10, 2003

    - The New York Times: ART; 'The Scream', East of Krakatoa partly quoted + a must read further Februari 8, 2004
     
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    Krakatoa had an explosive force 13,000 times the power of the atomic bomb that annihilated Hiroshima

    The Soviet Union in 1961, produced an insane 50-megaton blast—about 3,333 times more powerful than the Little Boy bomb The bomb was actually originally intended to be more around 100 megatons, but the fallout of such a device would have been too problematic.

    On April 5, 1815, Mt. Tambora erupted in Sambawa, Indonesia, creating the most powerful explosion ever witnessed by humans in historic times.
    The Tambora eruption is estimated to have unleashed the equivalent of 800 megatons of TNT, making it about 14 times more powerful than the Tsar Bomb
    The eruption was heard as far away as Sumatra, which is 2,600 km away. Before the eruption, Mt. Tambora was 4.3 km tall, but after it was only 2.85 km tall. The volcano created an ash column 43 km high, and dispersed ash into the stratosphere and around the globe. This ash blocked out the Sun and caused the year 1816 to be the second coldest year in recorded history.


    About 65 million years ago, an event known as the Cretaceous-Tertiary Event caused the extinction of many organisms, but is most famous for causing the extinction of the dinosaurs. Many scientists believe that this was caused by an asteroid impact that created the Chicxulub Crater located off the coast of the Yucatan Peninsula. It is estimated that the explosive force of this impact would have been the equivalent of 96 teratons of TNT, or about 1.7 million Tsar Bombas. This would make the impact the greatest explosion to ever occur on earth, for which there is sufficient geological evidence. The impact would have caused climate change, much like Mt. Tambora but much more drastic, and this climate change is believed to be what ultimately killed the dinosaurs
     
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    Thank you, Angélique. Your comments made the cartoon much more understandable.

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    That's figment, not pigment... or maybe not? :)

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    I'd give you some more rep points, but I'm told I have to give more points to others before I can give anymore to you. Hoyt keeps taking my precious points away from me, so I'm sure not going to give him any! <LOL> :D

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    It's Christmas, so I changed my mind and decided to give Hoyt some rep points, just to get in good with St. Peter. But wouldn't you know it, I can't give Hoyt anymore points either!! :rolleyes:

     
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    The Rockefeller Family Fund Takes on ExxonMobil | New York Times

    The second of a two-part series investigating what ExxonMobil knew about how its products would adversely affect the Earth's climate, when they knew it, and their campaign to obscure that information.

    See Also:

    Merchants of Doubt: How a Handful of Scientists Obscured the Truth on Issues from Tobacco Smoke to Global Warming
    by Naomi Oreskes and Erik M. Conway
    Bloomsbury, 355 pp., $18.00 (paper)

    Private Empire: ExxonMobil and American Power
    by Steve Coll
    Penguin, 685 pp., $19.00 (paper)

    Exxon: The Road Not Taken
    by Neela Banerjee, John H. Cushman Jr., David Hasemyer, and Lisa Song
    InsideClimate News, 88 pp., $5.99 (paper)

    What Exxon Knew About the Earth’s Melting Arctic
    an article by Sara Jerving, Katie Jennings, Masako Melissa Hirsch, and Susanne Rust
    Los Angeles Times, October 9, 2015

    How Exxon Went from Leader to Skeptic on Climate Change Research
    an article by Katie Jennings, Dino Grandoni, and Susanne Rust
    Los Angeles Times, October 23, 2015

    Big Oil Braced for Global Warming While It Fought Regulations
    an article by Amy Lieberman and Susanne Rust
    Los Angeles Times, December 31, 2015

    Archival Documents on Exxon’s Climate History
    available at www.climatefiles.com

    Smoke, Mirrors and Hot Air: How ExxonMobil Uses Big Tobacco’s Tactics to Manufacture Uncertainty on Climate Science
    a report by the Union of Concerned Scientists, January 2007
    available at ucsusa.org
     
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    TNYT: ‘‘ SO, the blood-red sky in ''The Scream'' might not have been a pigment of Edvard Munch's imagination after all. ’’

    IN: ‘‘ That's figment, not pigment... or maybe not? :) ’’

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    I believe ‘‘of’’ is the difficult word here as it seems so simple but has so many meanings:

    of = expressing the relationship between a part and a whole. - "the sleeve of his coat"

    of = expressing the relationship between a scale or measure and a value. - "an increase of 5 percent"

    - --> of = indicating an association between two entities, typically one of belonging. - "the son of a friend"

    of = expressing the relationship between a direction and a point of reference. - "north of Chicago"

    of = expressing the relationship between a general category and the thing being specified which belongs to such a category. - "the city of Prague"

    of = indicating the relationship between a verb and an indirect object. - "no example right now"

    of = indicating the material or substance constituting something. - "the house was built of bricks"

    of = expressing time in relation to the following hour. - "it would be just a quarter of three in New York"

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    Original: ‘‘ SO, the blood-red sky in ''The Scream'' might not have been a pigment of Edvard Munch's imagination after all. ’’

    I'll think the sentence is OK as the TNYT wrote it since I believe, in the given context, the below words mean:

    pigment = a dry insoluble substance, usually pulverized, which when suspended in a liquid vehicle becomes a paint, ink, etc.

    - --> of = indicating an association between two entities*, typically one of belonging. --> namely the "two entities" in the given case are "pigment" and "imagination"

    * entity = a thing with distinct and independent existence

    imagination = the faculty or action of forming new ideas, or images or concepts of external objects not present to the senses.

    figment = a thing that someone believes to be real but that exists only in their imagination.

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    So if we change "pigment" for "figment" we would have a synonymy as the altered word is synonymous to "imagination" in the given context:

    ‘‘ SO, the blood-red sky in ''The Scream'' might not have been a figment of Edvard Munch's imagination after all. ’’

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    So if we want to swap "pigment" for "figment" we'll have to take "imagination" out to make it correct and still say the same as in the original sentence:

    ‘‘ SO, the blood-red sky in ''The Scream'' might not have been a figment of Edvard Munch after all. ’’

    or:​

    ‘‘ SO, the blood-red sky in ''The Scream'' might not have been a figment of Edvard Munch's mind after all. ’’

    or:​

    ‘‘ SO, the blood-red sky in ''The Scream'' might not have been a figment of Edvard Munch's troubled mind after all. ’’

    [​IMG] This last one adds the info that Munch had some kind of troubled mind.

    But those three skip the in my view intended pun "pigment" vs. "figment", as this is about a painting.

    And also part of the intended pun I think is Munch's mental condition*, being close to madness* and being subject to hallucinations*, would make many to have expected the word "figment" instead of "pigment" here.

    pun = a joke exploiting the different possible meanings of a word or the fact that there are words that sound alike but have different meanings.

    * (3 x) These are Munch's own words quoted from his diary.

    See for the respective quotes from Munch's diary the book Edvard Munch: Paintings, Sketches, and Studies (spare link) by Arne Eggum, 305 pages, published by Clarkson Potter in 1984. Many copies in stock here and here.

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    The "word = .... " explanations are extracted from Google Translate (12 x), except "pigment = .... " which comes from IN's link (1 x).

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    :eek: - Damn, what a long post about nothing. - :eek:

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    That's an impressive piece of analysis! I agree with you that 'pigment' was an intended pun. It would be nice to see you turn your formidable intellect to climate change analysis, corroboration and advocacy (or should that be anti-advocacy??). :)
     
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    Both, it will be whatever I think is right, and then we'll discuss about it. - :cool:

    So, I'll go with Sharpii2's signature here: ‘‘ I never learned a thing from an argument I won. ’’ - [​IMG]
     
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    I would argue that statement and this from Dudley Malone, "I have never learned anything from any man who agreed with me," are way too simplistic or even truthful to be of much use to a person. "Two heads are better than one" seems to directly oppose it, and is much more believable.
     
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