ocean conditions are changing due to Rapid Global Climate Shift

Climate shift and Frosty's old avatar

Frosty,

You may be a cantankerous curmudgeon to some of the forum but with that many posts your bound to step on a few toes...noticed your approaching 6000...Either way I just want you to bring back that old avatar...that was classic...not sure about the new one...it's kinda weird honestly..not weird in a good way really..not like the old one was.. the old one with the weird cranky guy with the pipe was truly iconic and you could never hope to have a better one than that...hope you'll bring him back ...Oh btw..just to stay on topic..I think America needs to get on board with the Kyoto protocol or whatever it's called these days...shameful...it will create good-paying jobs...building all the clean energy tech gadgets that is...

 

Yeah, Frosty, where did you find Don Rickles's baby picture?

 

I'm getting off-thread but have we ever voted on who might have the best avatar? Don't want to be-labor the point but I think Frosty's old avatar would have won hands down if we had taken a poll....

 

so if the gulf stream slows and stops will Europe freeze over?

 

"Freeze over" is a relative term..I do know that the GS is a massive heat pump /heat exchanger...others in here can expound...

 

The Thames river in London used to freeze over and I dont think it has done that for a long time.
Trouble is the gulfstream has only been measured for a short time.
so who knows what changed that?

 

What makes sea-level rise?

 

Gulf Stream slowdown, Europe Freezes

Gulf Stream slowdown? May 2005

Atlantic circulation change summary (Jan 2006)

Ocean Circulation: New evidence (Yes), slowdown (No) (Oct 2006)

What Drives The Gulf Stream? (Oct 2006)

 

What makes sealevel rise and rivers change their courses and climate average temperatures rise and fall, and some winters colder and floods and droughts, and earthquakes and volcanos?
Nature.
Scientists are only people. The WANT to know. The have hypothesis about how things work, but they don't KNOW how things work in nature.
One thing for certain is, if they come up with a SIMPLE explanation to explain phenomenae, it's bound to be wrong or at least only a very tiny bit of the explanation.
Because nature isn't simple.
That's my MAIN rejection of CO2 causes global warming. TOO simple to be valid.

 

The sea looks like it rises when the land subsides or is eroded.
After the earthquake in Indonesia that made the infamous tsunami some islands went up 6' and some went down
I guess the GW people live on one and the AGW live on the other and both have proof of their postion

 

Weather is extremely complex. Supercomputers are used to model it. No one is pretending that global warming is simple. The only reason that the comments here appear to be simple is because if the reams of complex data and analysis were presented on this forum everyone (including me) would choke on it. So what is presented for public consumption are the simple, dumbed-down conclusions. If you want the full story, it is certainly available -- if you have the mental acuity to understand it. But please don't make the argument that scientists are presenting a simple solution to a complex problem.

 

You should read and understand he Kyoto protocol before you endorse it!
The reason the US hasn't signed any of these protocols, is because they would HURT the US economy.

 

As will AGW...

Are you short-sighted or far-sighted?

Carbon Tax - A Small Price for a Large Benefit

 

I have studied the literature.
Also the climate models algorithyms were simplified down to fit on a laptop.
Hansen of Nasa said his laptop model version was superior to the mainframe model. Gives more 'consistent' results.
It's not the scientists screaming CO2.
It's the ecology political activists called AGW alarmists preaching panic. Some few happen to be scientists, like Hanson.

 

You either have not studied the literature or, through perversity, you consistently misrepresent the consensus view of climate scientists.