ocean conditions are changing due to Rapid Global Climate Shift

[hoytedow]

Any of you clever guys know why there is not many green lip mussels on the marina piling over the last few years.


Damn --with vinigar and brown bread they are my favourite.

The penguin pearl oysters are still there!!! but they are aq bit more difficult to shell and to be honest a bit slimy.

Please help,--- Frosty

Over-harvesting?

 

[Frosty]

Over-harvesting?

Na na theres only me what eats em. Every one else wont eat mussels off the pilings Oh nooo they will get poisoned or their dick will glo in the dark and they will have three legged babies etc etc

 

[hoytedow]

This place can ship them to you overnight. http://www.ilovebluesea.com/live-green-lipped-mussels.html

 

[Frosty]

Hey thats em green lip mussels --but yours have got bigger lips than mine.

More greeny bits.

 

[Yobarnacle]

Hey thats em green lip mussels --but yours have got bigger lips than mine.

More greeny bits.

They're trying to be politically correct. But it's just lip service!

 

[sdowney717]

Ted Turner funded the IPCC with a billion dollars.
His views on this are clear, the goal to reduce human population levels to a few hundred million.
So IMO, the IPCC and the AGW and the globalists are definitely part of a conspiracy of sorts.

The fact that modern ‘industrial’ agriculture would collapse without fossil fuels, and as a result hundreds of millions would starve, seems to be of minor consequence. It’s just a bit of short-term pain for long-term gain. Ted Turner, who donated over a billion dollars to the United Nations specifically to fund the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) thinks that "A total population of 250-300 million people, a 95% decline from present levels, would be ideal."

http://www.green-agenda.com/neweconomy.html


"In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill ... All these dangers are caused by human intervention and it is only through changed attitudes and behaviour that they can be overcome. The real enemy, then, is humanity itself."
- Club of Rome, The First Global Revolution, pg.75

See what I mean and how could anyone believe in these parts of the AGW agenda unless they are evil.

Where is the sea level rise when earth warmed before?
http://www.green-agenda.com/greenland.html



This is what they want to do, worship mother earth, the goddess Gaea, be subservient to and serve created things as part of a global power grab to do what ever is desired.

http://www.green-agenda.com/neweconomy.html

In the United States the only operating carbon emissions trading market is the Chicago Climate Exchange (CCX). Coincidentally, or not, Al Gore’s hedge fund, Generation Investment Management, is the largest shareholder in CCX. Now that’s what I call a conflict of interest! The most vocal Global Warming alarmist is the largest shareholder in the USA’s only operating ‘carbon market.’ On the board of CCX we find our old friend Maurice Strong.

In late 2007 the UN will host a conference in Bali with the intention of formulating an internationally binding Climate Change Treaty to replace the Kyoto Protocol. It is widely expected that this treaty will mandate a global carbon trading system, and possibly a global carbon tax. Many green activists know that Global Warming is a vague and hollow threat. However, it is proving to be a very effective tool in implementing their Global Green Agenda which began more than a decade ago with Sustainable Development and Agenda 21.

"Effective execution of Agenda 21 will require a profound reorientation of all human society, unlike anything the world has ever experienced — a major shift in the priorities of both governments and individuals and an unprecedented redeployment of human and financial resources. This shift will demand that a concern for the environmental consequences of every human action be integrated into individual and collective decision-making at every level."
- UN Agenda 21



http://www.newswithviews.com/Morrison/joyce36.htm

The United Nations Agenda 21 was signed by the United States in 1992 and 14 years later, people are still in the dark. If you were to ask at random the question, "Have you heard of Agenda 21?" the answer would be an over-whelming "No," although it is being implemented in every local community.

Agenda 21 is a 40 chapter document listing goals to be achieved globally. It is the global plan to change the way we "live, eat, learn and communicate" because we must "save the earth."

"Its regulation would severely limit water, electricity, and transportation - even deny human access to our most treasured wilderness areas, it would monitor all lands and people. No one would be free from the watchful eye of the new global tracking and information system," according to Berit Kjos, author of Brave New Schools.

 

[hoytedow]

Nailed it!

 

[RayThackeray]

It's hardly a conspiracy if it's public knowledge, is it?

I don't see anything wrong with advocating for a much lower population, though I'm cynical that it will ever happen unless we reach the levels of mass extinction which may well eliminate the population entirely anyway.

Ted Turner funded the IPCC with a billion dollars.
His views on this are clear, the goal to reduce human population levels to a few hundred million.
So IMO, the IPCC and the AGW and the globalists are definitely part of a conspiracy of sorts.


See what I mean and how could anyone believe in these parts of the AGW agenda unless they are evil.

Where is the sea level rise when earth warmed before?
http://www.green-agenda.com/greenland.html



This is what they want to do, worship mother earth, the goddess Gaea, be subservient to and serve created things as part of a global power grab to do what ever is desired.

 

[Boston]

hmmmmm, maybe I wasn't clear enough

this isn't another climate shift denial thread

Its concerning our oceans, how they are being effected by climate shift, and how yachting is effected. As well as what responses can be made in design or behavior to help deal with it. Can I just design a more robust boat, do I really have to just consider less days of clear weather ? How are the oceans in my chosen area responding to climate shift ?

In the PNW its a little harder to just sail around a weather system, the inside passage is a little tight for that, so following the weather will be even more important, particularly since this area is being so severely effected by climate shift.

whoa, I hadn't expected even one response, let alone two pages of it

OK then, Lets keep it real this time. NO religion, no politics, The subject isn't if climate shift is occurring, nor it is about who's responsible, so if thats what you'd like to discus feel free to go discuss it somewhere else, this thread is about how our ocean conditions are changing due to climate shift. If that rankles, then go post on the global cooling thread. But the changing ocean conditions, and there are most assuredly changing, have a direct bearing on my own retirement plans and I'd think yours assuming any of you are either already on the water or planing on being there anytime soon. I'm going sailing and I'll need to be aware of what the trends in both ocean conditions spell for the near future and what direction trends in weather are taking.

Keep it clean kids and try and show some respect for our moderator, we are after all, just guests here.
Lest you find yourself learning some new terminology

From
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with a slight emphasis on Cyberharassment. IE constantly interjecting off topic or prohibited topic posts. The theory of Rapid Global Climate Shift has a 98% consensus view with the only dissenting parties being those paid off by the oil and gas industry. The question is what we're going to do about it.

Cheers
B

 

[ImaginaryNumber]

Ted Turner funded the IPCC with a billion dollars.
His views on this are clear, the goal to reduce human population levels to a few hundred million.
So IMO, the IPCC and the AGW and the globalists are definitely part of a conspiracy of sorts.

Who funds the IPCC?

The IPCC is funded by regular contributions from its parent organizations WMO [World Meteorological Organization] and UNEP [United Nations Environment Programme], the UNFCCC [United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change] and voluntary contributions by its member countries. WMO also hosts the IPCC Secretariat and WMO and UNEP provide one senior staff member each for the IPCC Secretariat. Information about contributions received and expenditures incurred is provided by the Secretariat to the Panel. It is contained in the document on programme and budget. The annual budget is decided by the Panel at Plenary Session.

Thanks to the contributions received, the IPCC Trust Fund which is administered under the Financial Regulations of the WMO supports the IPCC activities, in particular the participation of developing country experts in the IPCC, organization of meetings as well as publication and translation of IPCC reports. The IPCC Financial Procedures were recently revised to ensure consistency with the International Public Sector Accounting Standards (IPSAS).

Governments provide further substantial support for activities of the IPCC, in particular through hosting Technical Support Units, supporting the participation of experts from their country in IPCC activities, hosting meetings, etc.

http://www.ipcc.ch/organization/organization_procedures.shtml#.T830aFLdM9o

Who did Ted Turner give one billion dollars to?

September 19, 1997
Web posted at: 12:10 a.m. EST (0510 GMT)

NEW YORK (CNN) -- CNN founder and Time Warner vice chairman Ted Turner announced Thursday night that he will donate $1 billion over the next decade to United Nations programs.

Turner made the announcement at a dinner held in New York by the United Nations Association-USA to honor Turner for his contribution to the international community. He was presented the Global Leadership award by the group.

Speaking of his gift, Turner said, "this is not going to go for administration. This is only going to go for programs, programs like refugees, cleaning up land mines, peacekeeping, UNICEF for the children, for diseases, and we're going to have a committee that will work with a committee of the U.N. The money can only go to U.N. causes."

The donation will be made in 10 annual installments of $100 million in Time Warner stock, he said.

http://edition.cnn.com/US/9709/18/turner.gift/

So while its possible that part of Turners gift did find its way into the IPCC, it doesn't appear the whole gift was earmarked for the IPCC.

 

[ImaginaryNumber]

Suffice it to say, the 8% of smokers who get lung cancer, probably also frequent bars. Have you ever noticed the scaly brown scabs on the underside of the forearms of bar habitues? A fungal psoriasis from the beer saturated bar wood.

References, please.

 

[sdowney717]

Who funds the IPCC?

http://www.ipcc.ch/organization/organization_procedures.shtml#.T830aFLdM9o

Who did Ted Turner give one billion dollars to?

http://edition.cnn.com/US/9709/18/turner.gift/

So while its possible that part of Turners gift did find its way into the IPCC, it doesn't appear the whole gift was earmarked for the IPCC.

http://www.jonesreport.com/article/04_08/28turner_911.html

 

[ImaginaryNumber]

Originally Posted by ImaginaryNumber
Who funds the IPCC?

http://www.ipcc.ch/organization/orga...l#.T830aFLdM9o

Who did Ted Turner give one billion dollars to?

http://edition.cnn.com/US/9709/18/turner.gift/

So while its possible that part of Turners gift did find its way into the IPCC, it doesn't appear the whole gift was earmarked for the IPCC.

http://www.jonesreport.com/article/04_08/28turner_911.html

Don't see any mention of the IPCC in your jonesreport link.

 

[ImaginaryNumber]

For those interested, the topic of today's The Diane Reem Show talk/call-in show (June 5, 11am Eastern Time) is Environmental Outlook: "The Ocean of Life" by Callum Roberts

Here's the intro:

The world’s oceans cover 140 million square miles and have remained stable for most of human history. But in the last 30 years, man’s impact on the seas has taken a heavy toll: global fish supplies are declining thanks to new technologies and overfishing. Climate change has led to a rise in ocean temperatures and the loss of 75 percent of large sea animals. Plastics and agricultural fertilizers are polluting our oceans and killing marine life. On this month’s Environmental Outlook: How humans are harming the world’s oceans and what can be done about it.

You can listen to the show live via streaming, or at anytime thereafter as a podcast.

click on Listen to WAMU for live streaming

or click on LISTEN at this link http://thedianerehmshow.org/shows/2012-06-05/environmental-outlook-ocean-life-callum-roberts for the podcast, made available later in the day

 

[RayThackeray]

I suppose the quote that's getting your knickers in a twist is this: "Despite the fact that Turner himself has 5 children, he has put forward this view a number of times before. "We're too many people; that's why we have global warming," he told PBS's Charlie Rose in April. "Too many people are using too much stuff.""

Look, mate. I could go on record as saying that no woman should ever age beyond 21 years and all of them should be beautiful and slim. But even if I gave a billion dollars to Liz Claiborne dot Org it still wouldn't happen.

So, getting back to global warming affecting our cherished cruising grounds, if Ted Turner's wish were to come true, would it help? Well, seems to me it would be a step in the right direction and I support his statement.

So there. Now you can start a conspiracy theory about me!!! I've never had one before.

http://www.jonesreport.com/article/04_08/28turner_911.html