ocean conditions are changing due to Rapid Global Climate Shift

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  1. Boston

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    now link that info about wave heights in that area of the ocean being tied to characteristics of the NAO and then consider the following

    The intensification and shift of the annual North Atlantic Oscillation in a global warming scenario simulation
    ZENG-ZHEN HU, ZHAOHUA WU

    from
    http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1600-0870.2004.00050.x/abstract
    So we have multiple researchers all doing work showing that wave heights are increasing and why. The denial of these simple facts has been discussed to death on another thread. This one is in regards to how much we might expect these altering conditions to change in the near future and how likely they are to change. As well as how best to prepare for these changes.

    I've got my fuel figured out now It would be interesting to calculate the projected changes in conditions of the area I'd like to retire to and what that means to the design of the boat I'd like to retire onto.

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    B
     
  2. Boston

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    from

    http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2010/11/14/1836887/ocean-waves-getting-bigger-and.html
    so if wave heights are increasing at a rate of an inch a year ( 2.5 cm/inch ) then in about twenty years when I'm nearly as old and ugly as the rest of you guys I can expect the typical large wave to be roughly 24 inches higher that today assuming a linear increase, which is not the case. The increase is exponential given that we know the cause.

    if there was an increase of 40% over 40 years then in another 20 years a 20% increase likely over a 46' height or a 55.2' wave, for an increase of 9.2'

    Granted there will be plenty of days of calm water but when conditions pick up it seems like they will get rough faster and stay rough longer

    the science is pretty basic on these changes and by simply extrapolating the likely change over even the next few years its pretty obvious that planing for these changes becomes pretty important
     
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    Well, you go ahead and have your conversation, knowing that I reject anthropogenic causation of conditions relative to climate, waves or anything else that falls under God's domain and not Man's. Have at it with my gratitude for the opportunity you gave me to give my opinion. I'll shut up now, for awhile.
     
  4. Boston

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    thank you

    I'd give you those points back but there must be some quota system or something I'm not aware of
     
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    That's ok. I'll just take some more of yours. :D
     
  6. Boston

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    thanks

    PS
    what would Jesus do ?
     
  7. Boston

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    ok back onto subject again

    Science 22 May 2009:
    Vol. 324 no. 5930 pp. 1026-1027
    DOI: 10.1126/science.1171839

    * Perspective

    Geophysics
    Earth Vibrations

    1. Peter D. Bromirski

    + Author Affiliations

    1.
    Scripps Institution of Oceanography, University of California, San Diego, La Jolla, CA 92093–0209.

    1. E-mail: pbromirski@ucsd.edu

    Summary

    Intense cyclonic storm systems generate strong ocean-surface winds that transfer atmospheric energy into ocean gravity waves. Some of the ocean wave energy couples to the solid earth, causing what seismologists have long considered as ambient “noise,” because it interferes with the study of earthquake signals measured by seismometers. However, rising ambient noise levels imply increasing oceanic storminess (1), which is linked to climate change. In this context, the roles are reversed, with earthquakes being the noise that needs to be excluded from the climate-related signals. Studies of long-term seismic records suggest that wave-generated ambient noise is increasing globally (2).
     
  8. Boston

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    and from
    http://www.climate.org/topics/extreme-weather/index.html


    so once again we are back to changing ocean conditions that will effect boating, or to be more precise my fat *** once I manage ( if I ever manage ) to get back to the water anytime soon

    Means a bigger more robust design for my live aboard
     
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    this graph should be of interest to anyone fishing the north Atlantic area

    [​IMG]
     
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    Where is recent data? 2007-2011.
     
  11. Boston

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    this trend is likely to continue as long as ocean warming continues

    from the Union of Concerned Scientists
    http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/science_and_impacts/science/hurricanes-and-climate-change.html

    pretty spooky stuff they're predicting
    18% is about 1/4 what the other study predicted but still its enough to force changes in both the number of days one can get out on the water and how fast one must react to storms rolling in. Means better early warning and better reaction times
     
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  13. Boston

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    but the trend is up significantly even though the atmospheric temp might fluctuate from year to year, after all we are talking ocean temps in those last few articles.

    As for atmospheric temps, if you notice within that graph is an oscillation of warm and cool years with an overall rising trend. which is why smoothing the graph is such a valuable tool because it makes the trend so obvious

    as you can see the 5 year average is pretty telling

    [​IMG]

    sure there are variations within the data stream but the overall trend is unmistakable

    so for as long as this trend continues the oceans will continue reacting to it with increased storm intensity, increasing wave intensity and increasing storm duration and frequency

    also since we are talking ocean temps, which are the relevant factor in this particular conversation it would be interesting if you had any graphs that showed ocean temps and how they might be fluctuating

    another interesting point is that you have presented a single data set, do you have other data sets that corroborate the NASA findings or is this an anomalous reading unique within the overall data pool
     
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    The trend post-2007 is shaped a little like a paraboloid, because it is the end of the upward trend and beginning the downward slide.
    NASA is not credible to me because it has sold out to the warmnologist camp, but this graph they let slip past the censors.
    We have already gone over the top of the temperature rise and the cycle now reverses.
    Wave height as a result will now begin to diminish also.
     
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