ocean conditions are changing due to Rapid Global Climate Shift

I don't think we have a significant affect on climate.
Over fishing? Yes.
Deforestation? yes.
Polution of rivers and streams? yes.
Affect the oceans in a significant way? NO!
Affect the even more massive ocean of air surrounding our planet? not to a measurable degree. insignificant.

 

And another thing...

If we are influencing the environment, then that is natural......We become the dominant species by natural selection < oooohhh...looks like I just hit another nerve...
And technology is a by-product of humanity....think about this a little people....there is a person still alive who has been born before the Wright brothers invented a plane and has also witnessed human flight to the moon (apparently...LOL)...and unmanned missions to Mars....
ONE LIFE TIME.....................be smart....

 

It is unnatural to destroy oneself or ones decendents.

 

Ok...stop driving your car, boat, motorbike....don't use your electricity, disconnect from the grid....
ooohhhh...but you love you plazma screen, cold beers, ice on demand from your fridge, driving to your corner store, fishing in your VERY POLLUTING boat........

We all just talk ****....but do the minimum or nothing.....so if you are serious post pics of things you ( I mean all the people who believe in global warming ) do to curb the effects of global warming....

 

You have a limited vocabulary. Try harder when you post.

Here... stop rolling your eyes and learn...this is what a bicycle looks like.

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Bicycles reduce urban pollution and energy use.

A good combination.

 

Ok - for most of my life, I've had garden nurseries and grown and sold a hell-of-a-lot of trees and plants. A third of my life, I've been vegetarian or vegan. I have only owned a car when needed - unfortunately I need one now. I get 48 mpg. I lived off grid for a decade, with a wind up radio and a single 120 watt panel.
I do like cold beer, which I brew myself and its cold enough here that I have a cold room for it. Heating and cooking is from wood - renewable and less polluting than electricity - cheaper too.
Blah blah blah...... I'm trying.
Yes - boats are not too Eco friendly. Get a sailboat and only use the motor in emergencies or as little as possible.

 

The vast majority of the human population lives in cities.
90 percent of Australians live in cities.


Reforming cities and making them efficient is the key to the sustainability equation.

Bikes and public transport will replace automobiles, work an living spaces will merge....

 

Is that a fancy way of saying I is stupid....hehehe....everyone is a wordsmith these days....

I'll just stay out of topics like this, as when arguments dry up people make it personal.

 

I mean no offense in any way. I also try, but for different reasons. Finite resources is far scarier then any climate change or polar shift and the like.

 

I also have reduced MY carbon footprint dramatically, and seeking to do more. What i object to is the mindset that others want to force me to do THEIR bidding! Nope!
And they should aim their ire at china and india, the two greatest producers of anthropogenic co2, and quit trying to make the USA the bad guy.
But of course in america, we have freedom though less than we once had, so that makes us vulnerable. Socialists and other collectivists try to use our freedom processes to try to take away our freedoms.
Won't work!
We are so near the breaking point now from unsustainable spending and massive ineffective government, I'm afraid it will all collapse before Obama finishes this 2nd term.
I getting my boat ready as fast as I can.

 

this is not necessarily true. when you ride a bicycle there are costs involved, part replacement and maintenance which is pretty high for just a one person and short distance transportation system, and these have environmental costs to make, transport and buy the repair parts (tires, lube, bearings, brake cables, pads, etc.). Plus when you ride a bicycle as a form of transportation (rather than for exercise or recreation) you consume about 3 times the amount of calories you would over your base metabolism over riding a scooter or driving an economic car. Those calories must come from increased food consumption, which has very large environmental and financial costs. the higher metabolism also puts out about 3 times the amount of CO2 into the air over your base metabolism, as well as methane and other waste products from human metabolism.

I recently heard a story about a young man that walked from Philadelphia PA to San Fransisco, CA. 4000 miles and he wore out 4 pairs of walking shoes, and consumed much more food than would be necessary if he had driven a car. He spent about 40 percent more, consumed 40 percent more resources, had he driven a car and much much more had he took a bus.

If everyone in large cities in the USA walked or rode bicycles to work it would overload the public works facilities, cause food shortages and drive city costs way up. We must have efficient mechanized transport to so save resources and keep everyone engaged in productive meaningful occupations rather than spend a large part of their day commuting in such an inefficient manner. Places where people get around by walking or bicycle are called "third world nations", they huge consumers of resources and produce almost nothing as compared to industrialized countries.

So if your idea if a ideal would is living as a third world economy, than feel free to move to North Korea, Cuba or some other workers paradise.

 

That's hardly a rational argument. the disease-ridden piles and pools of human excrement that spread around cities before modern sewage systems were put into place were undeniably "natural," too. Does that mean we needn't have concerned ourselves about them? Of course not. The fact that taking a crap is natural doesn't mean it's natural for us to wallow around in it afterwards...

"You're not the boss of me," multiplied by the number of people in the country and/or the world, is hardly a viable plan for dealing with anthropogenic global warming -- which in spite of all the shrill denials is not only happening, but qualitatively and quantitatively different from what has happened to this planet in the past.

 

You really must get out more often...so much to learn..

Perhaps start your awakening in The Netherlands or perhaps Copenhagen...or Barcelona for a bit of sun before you head over to North Korea.

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Well, who will end up frustrated? You are NOT the boss of me, and no matter how much YOU believe in anthropogenic warming, the majority of americans are NOT convinced and NOT buying in. Are you going to war over it?

And even if americans did buy in, you'd still need to convince china and India. Good luck!

Forget the proselytizing, and discuss individual choices, options, and individual efforts. We are an individualist country.
While there are many citizens of sovereign nations, there is only ONE nation of sovereign citizens ever existed.
It's the political agenda of "we are going to MAKE you come to heel" that will destroy that country, the USA.
I don't want to see that happen.
But if it does, then I'll live in the country of Florida and you will live in the country of...California? on it's own?, without fed bailout dollars?
Again, bueno suerte (good luck)!

 

Your issue is you think you are special, as a human that is. We are the most vial decrepit life form on this planet, we destroy everything around us. It was natural for humans to live in excrement, because they did. Go to India now, and people still die of dysentery due to water contaminated from infected human feces. Just cause some of us have the fortune of good hygiene doesn't mean bad hygiene is unnatural.