ocean conditions are changing due to Rapid Global Climate Shift

Thank God the Ice Age has abated. But it is on the way back. Enjoy the warmth while it lasts.

 

Tree's can suffer from heatstroke!!!

 

And people get dry rot.

 

okay, so let us determine what is "normal" earth temp. I could be normally much warmer than it has been in the last 100 years, which means it is just going back to "normal" now. the earth has been both warmer and colder than it is right now, by a lot. going back millions of years you see very large tempurature swings, so what is "normal" anyway?

 

That's like trying to define a 60 year-old person's 'normal' weight by averaging his weight when he was a newborn in with his adult weight, instead of averaging his weight over the last few years....

Normal is what should be expected if we're following the patten laid down by the last few ice ages, and the time that's elapsed since the last one. Looking at that, it's obvious that we're veering out of a cycle that's been pretty consistent over many thousands of years.

What was normal millions of years ago is irrelevant. If you're going to go there, you might as well go on back to when this was a new planet, with no life and no breathable atmosphere.

 

last ice age was some 10,000 years ago, and CO2 was 1,700 percent higher in the atmosphere than it is today. Oh, but look, it was warmer 4 times than today in the last 400,000 years (not millions), CO2 was also higher than too during the last 4 ice ages. how would you explain that? must be all that human caused CO2?

 

400,000 years to much you say, lets look at last 10,000 years since last ice age you say?

Oh, look, it was warmer 5 times, for much longer periods of time, over the last 10,000 years than it is today. Unless you can explain the cause of that, than there is no hope for predicting the future. looks to me what we have now looks pretty normal.

 

I don't have the time or ambition to check out your info, especially since you give no sources. I'll settle for saying your last graph is suspect, if only because it shows a 'Medieval Warm Period.' Scientists have pretty much concluded there was no such thing. Original assumptions that it happened were based on localized North Atlantic and Euro-centric data, that doesn't reflect what conditions were like worldwide.

And you're ignoring a crucial point: at no point in the time frame your graph covers were temperature changes as dramatically abrupt as they've been in modern times.

http://www.climatecentral.org/news/so-called-medieval-warm-period-not-so-warm-15064

 

What do you mean he didn't list sources? They are right there on the chart.

How can you know how abrupt the temperature changes were thousands of years ago?

 

Ummmm... no. There are some names at the bottom of the people who allegedly did the research the graph is based on. But he doesn't have a source for the graph itself -- or any information on whoever put it together, supposedly based on those people's research.

This is the internet... what's so hard about providing a link to the site he lifted the graph from?

There's this thing called 'scientific research.' You should really look into it, especially since the graphs you're defending are supposedly based on it.... or is scientific research only valid when it supports your preconceived notions?

 

I found it here: http://www.ishtarsgate.com/forum/sh...Humans-React-to-Cimate-Change-6-000-Years-Ago

It is only one of several like charts from different sources.

 

and here: http://devconsultancygroup.blogspot.com/2012_02_01_archive.html

 

Do any of those charts disprove anything I've said?

 

and here: http://www.mailmagazine24.com/envir...tem-the-actual-effects-of-climate-change.html

 

You talkin' to me?