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ocean conditions are changing due to Rapid Global Climate Shift

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hoytedow Fly on the Wall - Miss ddt yet?

And humans have no power over volcanoes, so AGW is complete hogwash.

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hoytedow Fly on the Wall - Miss ddt yet?

Alarmism can be fun! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsdTeCnnRO4

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hoytedow Fly on the Wall - Miss ddt yet?

Smoke and mirrors is what it's all about. http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=6TiQ9wRotU4&feature=endscreen

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hoytedow said: ↑

And humans have no power over volcanoes, so AGW is complete hogwash.
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What I wonder about is if ANYONE has power over your mouth?

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hoytedow Fly on the Wall - Miss ddt yet?

I spoke with my fingers, not my mouth, but are you in favor of trampling my right to free speech? To do so would trample your right as well. Note that I left off the grinny face because freedom is no joke.

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hoytedow said: ↑

I spoke with my fingers, not my mouth, but are you in favor of trampling my right to free speech? To do so would trample your right as well. Note that I left off the grinny face because freedom is no joke.
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I'm not questioning your rights of free speech, I'm questioning your powers of reasoning and your power of self-control. I'm probably not showing self-control in making this post...

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ImaginaryNumber said: ↑

I'm not questioning your rights of free speech, I'm questioning your powers of reasoning and your power of self-control. I'm probably not showing self-control in making this post...
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Control yourself.

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hoytedow said: ↑

Smoke and mirrors is what it's all about. http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=6TiQ9wRotU4&feature=endscreen
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Ive always wonders about smoke an mirrors, how does that work then?

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Its Saturday and we are all still here
amazing or is it still Friday somewhere
Merry Christmas

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'Mr Magic Eyes' might not get to it so...

I've never been a big fan of conspiracy theories but, it has passed through my noggin that the whole reason for AGW work is to work towards slowing the approach of that cliff:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olduvai_theory

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Think Progress -- Fish Fry: Study Says Climate Change Means Tough Going For Western Trout

Changing water temperatures and stream flows combined with drought and increasing wildfires from global warming are creating a bleak outlook for trout in the western U.S., according to a new study.

“Despite the best intentions, we will not be able to preserve all populations of native trout in the Rocky Mountains this century,” concludes a paper that has been published in the December issue of the journal Fisheries. The study looked at five river basins in the West and was conducted by the U.S. Forest Service, U.S. Geological Survey and Colorado State University.

Though the study does not look at the economic implications of these changes, they could be large. Trout fishing is a significant part of the West’s recreational economy. According to a 2006 report by the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, nearly 1.6 million anglers pursue trout in the Mountain West. Nationally, trout fishermen spent $4.8 billion in 2006 — generating about $13.5 billion in economic activity, sustaining more than 109,000 jobs, and yielding more than $1.8 billion in federal, state and local tax revenues…
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Smithsonian -- Most Arctic Animals Should Deal With Climate Change Just Fine

… In a new study by Anouschka Hof, Roland Jansson and Christer Nilsson, all at Umeå University in Sweden, the trio of scientists found that, in most cases, global warming will actually give a boost to Arctic and subarctic life. Looking at 61 terrestrial mammal species that currently inhabit high-latitude Europe the scientists found that, under climate conditions forecast for the year 2080, the majority of the species will see their ranges expand. They found that warming will actually bring in more species from further south, increasing biodiversity in the region. And, even in their worst-case scenario, they expect at most one species to go extinct: the Arctic fox. But, they suspect that this worst-case scenario is just that, a nightmare scenario unlikely to unfold…

The reason they expect global warming to benefit Arctic mammals rather than hinder them, they say, is that most high-latitude species are generalists: they’re used to having to cope with a wide range of climatic conditions and aren’t too dependent on any one feature of the ecosystem. Think of the North American beaver, a hardy creature, compared to, say, koalas, who wouldn’t make it far without their eucalyptus trees. The specialists like the Arctic fox, the Norway lemming, or the wolverine, they say, may not do so well. But they also don’t expect them to go extinct…
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Grist -- Your 2012 climate change scorecard

Given that this particular year is nearing its end, we decided to figure out how the math for 2012 stacked up. Did we, on balance, change our ways so that our net greenhouse gas emissions declined, or did we yet again increase how much we’re polluting? Are we running in the positive or the negative or what?

The minus column -- Things that reduced climate change

Obama rejected the Keystone XL pipeline — for now (Effect on climate pollution): -2
Methodology for this: I picked a number between -10 (leads to reduction in pollution; good) and 10 (increases it; bad). Want to fight about it?

Australia implemented a carbon tax: -4

The EPA announced its pollution standards for new power plants, including for greenhouse gases: -3

The EPA also announced a new, higher fuel-efficiency standard for cars and trucks: -5

California auctioned carbon allowances as the first step in its cap-and-trade program: -2

The U.S.’s CO2 output declined: -5

Natural gas use is spiking: -4

Coal use in the U.S. is tanking, and everyone hates it: -5

Efforts to export coal overseas hit a snag: -1

China and the E.U. are working together on an emissions strategy: -2

The U.S. invests in an effort to target small-scale emissions across the world: -1

U.S. government agencies are working on climate solutions: -2

Renewable energy use continued to grow-2

American public opinion on climate issues began to shift back toward action: 0 (You’ll see why shortly.)

Which brings us to …
The plus column
Things that increased climate change

The United Nations did nothing (Effect on climate pollution): 8

The presidential campaign was all about how great coal is: 2

The House of Representatives continues to be run by scientifically illiterate jerks: 4

Coal use may be dying in the U.S., but overseas, business is booming: 7

The melting Arctic was a bad sign — and a huge creator of greenhouse gas: 5

China continued to be the world’s largest source of CO2 pollution: 3

… But the world is doing its best to keep up: 2

The United States is churning out record levels of oil and gas: 4

Obama gave the thumbs-up to a key stretch of the Keystone pipeline: 2

The wind industry in the United States may come to a halt next year: 1

Shell got approval to drill oil wells in the Arctic: 1

Americans are fickle and pessimistic: 2

The tally
So, let’s punch all of this totally objective data into our Climate Calculator™
… Done.
Climate change won 2012, -37 to 41.
Um. Better luck next year.
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Bloomberg -- Four Feasible Ways Obama Can Work on Climate Change

… In fact, President Barack Obama's first term has brought substantial progress on climate change. Two of the biggest successes were fuel-economy standards and emissions limits on new power plants.

As the president looks toward his second term, he has pledged that climate change will be one of his top three priorities. Given that a carbon tax or cap-and-trade program still seem to be remote possibilities, what else can be done? Here are four plausible policy options.

1. Extend emissions limits to cover existing power plants...
2. Increase the penalties for missing fuel-economy standards...
3. Update the "gas-guzzler tax" to track fuel-economy standards...
4. Reform the gasoline tax...
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bntii said: ↑

'Mr Magic Eyes' might not get to it so...

I've never been a big fan of conspiracy theories but, it has passed through my noggin that the whole reason for AGW work is to work towards slowing the approach of that cliff:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olduvai_theory
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Now that's funny.

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