Nordic Halman 20

Discussion in 'Sailboats' started by Rob Cowell, Apr 21, 2021.

  1. Rob Cowell
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    9BB0B555-0060-4B57-85D7-DD2186984D40.jpeg 8B671F69-95AF-4F0A-B35F-3A40A28639C8.png 5926E5A0-1E78-4CF8-98AA-91B070933A99.png Greetings!

    I’m searching for folk with knowledge on the Halman 20. I have read a thread or two on this site where some seem to be quite knowledgeable.

    I am considering taking in project to resurrect a neglected 20 or 21 and was hoping for some insight about some observations.

    First, bow-spirit or anchor platform... factory or someone’s project?

    Second, cover/rub rail missing on deck-hull joint?

    Third, crack/seam along bottom 1/3 of keel?

    are these signs that would suggest to steer clear?
    Thank you,
    Rob
     
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  2. Rob Cowell
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    If anyone knows how to reach Viking North member could you please ask him to review this thread? It sounds like he may have used to be a dealer for these boats. Thanks!!
     
  3. bajansailor
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    Welcome to the Forum Rob.

    For other readers reference, here is some background info on the Halman 20 -
    https://sailboatdata.com/sailboat/nordic-halman-20

    The Halman 21 seems to have the bowsprit (hence the extra 1' of length?)
    Here is one for sale -
    Halman 21, 1984, Hinckley, Ohio, sailboat for sale from Sailing Texas, yacht for sale https://sailingtexas.com/201801/shalman21104.html

    Can you post some photos showing the area of the hull / deck joint where the rubbing strake is missing?

    And also a photo or two of the crack along the keel?
     
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    I did go see the boat yesterday and would appreciate more advice... again if anyone is able to PM Viking North (I can't seem to figure out how) I would appreciate his input.

    After viewing the vessel here are a few more observations:
    - interior has been taken apart (all teak remains) and it looks as if headliner and ?Balsa? have been removed... the underneath of the deck fiberglass seems smooth and lightly translucent...
    - it looks as if someone was going to try and tackle the hull-deck joint... and I am not sure if they got to it... it is currently fastened with rivets... I notice a few missing and some gaps (where you could see bare glass in-between the crack) near the stern
    - had original main sail (#566) and three smaller head-sails (No Genoa?) with insufficient luff/leech to reach the masthead, also had a spinnaker
    - crack on the keel seems to run along a joint between the hull glass and some sort of skeg?
    - some hull deformation around trailer post supports... (not resting on keel?)

    From my observations come questions for those knowledgeable:
    1. Would there have typically been balsa under the head-liner? Is this difficult to re-install?
    2. What was originally used to fasten hull-deck joint? Any signs to look for that would indicate it was re-done (e.g. rivets original?)
    3. Is it possible this was a cutter-rig? (I've heard they existed)... did the cutter have 3-headsail (jib, bowsprit, flying) configuration?
    4. Is the hull deformation and skeg separation bad news?
    5. Is she too far gone? Any thoughts on salvageability and what, if anything would be a reasonable offer?

    Thanks,
    Rob
     
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  6. bajansailor
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    I have just sent a PM to Viking North, and asked him to have a look at this thread.
    However his profile says that he has not been seen on here since March last year, so maybe he has retired from the Forum.

    Re the removed headliner, there would not have been any balsa in this - it is quite possible that there is a balsa core in the fibreglass laminate of the cabin top though.

    Re the hull / deck joint, it was common practice to join this with rivets, or countersunk head bolts with nuts on the inside, and with some type of sealant between the two surfaces.
    Can you post some 'close up' photos of the areas of concern please?

    And re the crack on the keel, and the hull being set in (possibly) in way of the trailer post supports, can you post some close up photos of these areas as well please?

    Re if 'she is too far gone', the beauty of fibreglass is that it is infinitely repairable - you have to decide if it makes economic sense now to restore this vessel.
    If you are very keen on her, then a reasonable offer might be to take her off the Owner's hands for a very small sum.
    However the current owner probably still thinks that she is worth a lot of money.
     
  7. Rob Cowell
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    Bajan,

    Once again I am thankful for your reply. I am hopeful Viking may have some specific insights into the ways these vessels were originally laid up.

    I have attached some pictures of the hull/deck joint and of the keel that I took while there. Unfortunately I did not get a great shot of the keel or hull being ‘set in’. The crack runs the full length and it appears to be metal below... It did not appear significant hull deformation and I take your point re fiberglass repair!

    Again, your replies are appreciated!

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    Rob, My recommendation --From the photos ,stay away from it , just too much work, been there done that. As a dealer for them, one big problem with these boats is they were never properly finished from the factory . A beautiful design but never built to the quality they should have been. Not that they could not be improved into a nice little coastal cruiser but look for one that is in reasonable shape to start. If you find one, I will guide you thru the modifications and improvements that will help make it the boat it should be. We modified about 20 over the years . Typical price for a good starter would be in the $5000. range. In essence this is a pocket motorsailer due to the fact that it struggles to come about and go to windward. Having said that I think it is one of the best sea boats within her size range. They have been sailed across the Atlantic. There were several here for sale over the past year, one I recall had a single cylinder inboard diesel. Be patient and you will find one especially in Ontario.
     
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  9. Rob Cowell
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    Thank you!!! The advice is much appreciated and confirms my initial thoughts :)

    I’ll keep an eye out for others!

    Just out of curiosity ... was there a cutter rig? What was sail configuration?
     

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    Can't recall ever seeing a cutter rig. If you google search you should have no problem getting all the specks on it. There are presently two for sale on Kijiji Nova Scotia.
     
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