News and theories about the missing Malaysian plane

The idea that rebels fired a missile knowing it was aimed at a civilian airliner doesn't stand any sort of credibility test. They had nothing to gain, and everything to lose by doing so.

 

Fair enough , but do we need to repeat crap like that. This a sensitive topic and there maybe someone reading this thread that had a friend or relative on the plane for all we know.

 

Incredibly, an Australian family that lost people in the missing plane, MH370, has lost more members of the extended family in this shot-down plane.

 

Sorry, understood.

Pls understand my point as well - as Ukrainian citizen, I see civil war there with civilians killed every day and the conflict started once the Western-backed 'government of war' came due to coup in February. In Lugansk city only OSCE reported 250 civilians killed by July 16, by Ukrainian army. But international community is not concerned unless their citizens suffer...

 

Yes, it is a terrible situation for your people.

 

Yes, it is a terrible situation for your people. I can't begin to understand to understand what they are going through .

 

Pilots' group president says MH17 shot down after attempt to avoid storms | THE GUARDIAN

My take:
1) Poor choices were made by international civil aviation authorities, by Ukrainian airspace authorities, and by numerous airlines and individual pilots -- but all within generally accepted SOP.

2) Hot-headed Separatists/Russian Advisers, in the fog of war and with itchy trigger fingers, carelessly mistook a high-flying civilian airplane for a Ukrainian military airplane. Now they are doing their best to hide their mistake, by deleting social media posts bragging about their deed, by removing the missile launchers and missile fragments before international investigators are allowed on the scene, and by shoveling conspiracy-theory misinformation out the door.
Easter Egg

 

Again, no FACTS. I am capable to read Ukrainian sources as well; no facts that rebels had such capable system, no facts of shooting (Ukrainian radars will see it, and also launch of Buk is very visible - a lot of smoke), absolutely nothing excerpt twitter photos showing Ukrainian army Buks. I think this is 80% provocation to label these rebels as 'terrorists' and call for NATO vultures to involve. This becomes specially true on the background of catastrophic defeat of Ukrainian troops in that area during last week.

 

Sounds like a reasonable analysis to me, Imaginary Number. The media hysterics about bringing murderers to justice is not going to help anyone. The fact that a number of airlines had abandoned over-flying the area months ago tells me this is not something that could not have been predicted to happen.

 

Flight paths can only be determined by available information and they were told it was "okay", so they took the business decision and a fuel saving route. They weren't the only airline to do so that day.

All indications suggest the rebels didn't know it was a passenger jet, likely weren't tied into local and regional ATC so they could check, plus less than having requisite or adequate ability using the system as a stand alone.

Another classic "spiral" of errors that can be traced in each and every type of major catastrophe.

 

Russian MOD briefing with English translation.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrhEzecCdTI
Ukrainian Buks and fighterjet in the area.

These are not Twitter pictures, heh...

 

I think the separatists would've been a lot better off if they had simply said, "The plane was flying in the same area where we've already shot down one Ukrainian transport plane, and we thought it was another one. We screwed up and we're upset about it, but it was an understandable mistake. Mistakes happen during a shooting war."

Had they had said that, continued to apologize profusely, and cooperated with investigators at the crash scene, they wouldn't be looking like total weasels right now.

add: Alik, I give your conspiracy theories about as much credence as I give folks who claim the US government blew up the Twin Towers, as an excuse to start a religious war against Muslims.

 

The truth is that the rebels did NOT shoot it. Already proven, see the official Russian MOD briefing link, it was originally shot by Ukrainian surface to air missile and then added by Ukrainian jet fighter plane that was following the target. Shown are satellite images, air traffic control data, etc. - this level of detail has never been presented by Ukraine or any other party. There are also holes found on the wreckage looking like from from air-to-air missile. And we all know which country is behind this state terrorism, You like it or not.

 

And this one:
http://www.infowars.com/whistleblower-u-s-satellite-images-show-ukrainian-troops-shooting-down-mh17/

 

Hmmm....not quite sure, but I think that's kind of like this thread being closed.