New Zealand Scow

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  1. Macpower
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    Here she is at Big Shoal Bay before being sold to Keith Wright
     

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    Another pic leaving Tairua
     

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    Alma as seen by an artist under the harbor bridge at Northcote hull cleaning painting etc
     

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    My Father Scott Mccook when Alma was sold spent the rest of his career as Senior Master of the AHB pilot launch Akarana . Dad is in black in middle to his left is Frank Aspden engineer on Akarana who owned the Alma during Dads tenure. Aspdens also ran 2 old dutch built coasters "Sumatra" and "Verao". "Sumatra" towed two of the old vehicular ferries across the Tasman to Australia. First ferry sank on tow. Second ferry made it. Ewen and Alex Allison
     

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    Should say Frank Aspden is in overalls it was his brother Alan that owned launch Vindex in prev posts vindex also had a pedigree having won the old Atlantic (nz petrol suppliers in 60s) around the hauraki gulf 100 miles sponsored boat races in the early 60s for speed and performance.
     
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    Just a thought: in the fore quarters at least a scow of this type looks a lot like any modern cargo vessel save the modern ships have a rounded chine rather than a hard chine.

    It looks like it would be a big improvement over a regular, blunt bowed, scow because of her finer entry and those were reputed to have delivered good service in the Gulf of Mexico in days gone by.
     
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    A few notes on previous postings

    I have recently reread this web page and have a couple of comments on a few of rayman's posts. Page 2 07/07/2010 mention is made of the tug Alice. My great uncle Capt Peter Higham (original owner and skipper of the scow Daphne (later renamed the Rahiri), and oft skipper of the Huia, a scow owned by his brother Capt Tom Higham, and the scow Scot and possibly others) owned a boat of this name and operated it out of his home town of Onehunga towing barges on the Manukau. Typical trade was carting scoria originating from Mt Smart and loaded from Bray's yard in Onehunga and taking that to various landings on Awhitu, back loads of tea tree firewood in 1.2m lengths for Irvines bakery ovens, or wheel barrow loading shell from the banks on the southern shores at Karaka and delivering to the Excelsior?? grit company. This was certainly happening in the depression years as my father worked for his uncle at that time. The Alice had a "semi diesel" engine, but I am not up with what that really meant. My father thought that the Alice might have ended up on the sand barge trade on the Waikato, but we have no surety of that. On page 603/07/2011 a photo is shown of pit sawing a 8 metre long log into 50mm planks. The photo was taken by The Weekly News. The sawyers are on top Capt Tom Higham, my grandfather, and beneath, his wife's brother Les Laing. The barge was used on the Manukau trade.
     
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    johny, the "Alice" is still alive but is hauled out , I think, over at Tairua.Yes, she was brought over to the Waikato river in the early 1950's and used for towing the self loading sand dredges belonging to the Tuakau Sand Co. This outfit passed through several owners until bought out by Winstones Ltd.She lay at the Puni Sand yard along with several barges before being sold off.
    The "Gardiner" semi diesel was a brute of a thing that had to have the cylinder heads heated by a blowlamp before starting. For a time I owned the former tug "Shamrock" almost a sistership to "Alice"< she was powered by a "Fairbanks-Morse" 2stroke semi-diesel. Shamrock went back to the Manukau and I last saw her up the Slippery Creek, but that was many years ago.
     
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    Johny, in case you are interested, when Winstones opened up their sand yard at Mere Mere in about 1953-54 They brought a towing launch named "Vicpar" and several small wooden barges from the Manukau. They also owned the scow "Kiatia" which was stripped down and became the dredge "Big Ben". I last saw this hulk at Tuakau and the barges are or were hauled out at Tautara Weke's place with sheds built on them
     
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    Pahiki at Waiheke

    My grandfather owned Pahiki between 1944-46. As far as I'm aware she is at Waiheke, wrecked near the eastern end of the causeway. You used to be able to see her bones laying in the mud, but I think she is completely gone now. If that wreck was identified wrong and she is still sailing around Kawau, I'd love to have it confirmed.
     
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    Hi Gentlemen, Came across your info whilst looking for the sinking of "The Seagull" in August 1957. My brothers father-in-law, Fred Gillstrom, was crewing on her being one of the lucky ones who swam through heavy seas to a reef of Northland and was rescued 12 hours later. Also interested in Gordon Albert (Beau) Stanaway as he was a 2nd or third cousin. Jos (nee Stanaway)
     
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    JosD ,
    "SEAGULL" was lost on Elizabeth Reef, Wide Berth Islands out from Mimiwhangata.
    Beau lost his life when his tug "TIKA" was rolled while berthing a ship in Auckland.

    regards ray
     
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    Hi Steve W and sltalk, my father owned Revival the scow that you were talking about and yes it was anchored for many years in Coxs Bay outside our place. We purchased it off Jack Lidgard when he lived on board it round the back of Beachaven. Jack had polio and lived aboard Revival for many years before my father Arch Brooking purchased it. Back then it had a mustard lower hull with white around the mid to top hull, white cabin and mustard roof. I remember the day dad first took us around to see it as kids. I was around 7 years old so that would have been around 1978. He owned it until the mid 1990's when he was approached by a chap Tom who lived in Marine Parade who wanted to purchase it. Dad (Arch) couldnt sail, but loved to occasionally motor around the harbour on her. We as kids used her as a swim-to platform in the bay and later in my teenage hood she was my sunbathing deck and fishing pontoon. Dad painted her light blue where all the mustard bits were. Jack had new engines purchased for her which lived in our garage for many many years. They were two massive red 'Honda' or 'Yamaha' engines from memory. The size of something you would put in a truck. Enormous! Brand new and shiny. I remember when we first saw the boat and Jack took us on board. She was lovely inside with a hand drawn centreboard which also had the drop leaf tables hinged off the centre board casing on either side. She had a lovely old pot belly stove and the galley although very tight was well appointed. Both sides of the boat opposite the centreboard were full length benches with hidden hinged storage and huge mustard coloured vinyl squabs on top. She would sleep 10. 4 on rope stretchers in the bow which you entered through two holes which lead to the main cabin. The mustard squabs on each side would sleep 3 (head to tail) and there was lots of room between each persons feet to the other persons head. She was solid kauri throughout. The masts were removed for some remedial work around 1982. We moved her to the creek bridge in Coxs Bay and used a winch system against the metal original railings to lift them in order to do some repairs on them and the roof of Revival. That was quite the show stopper on the day for the locals. Many stopped and watched the massive feat of good ole kiwi ingenuity at work. On the day we lifted each of the masts we found two coins - one under each mast. One dated 1842 or suchlike from memory and the other 1898. The first coin we were told by Jack Lidgard represented the oldest coin they could find at the time of placement of the mast and other was a current coin for the year of her manufacture. The masts were reinstalled a couple of weeks after they were removed and I remember a Ak Star reporter there on the day asking many questions about her. She was a beautiful boat. Floated in knee high water - that would around 30cm when I was a kid. She had a beautiful solid bow sprit which we loved running off and diving into the water from. Many times as a kid we would shimmy up the masts using the forged iron bars to climb our way up to the top then back down. I have some old photos of her from when Jack owned her and she's moored at the end of another Lidgard family members property, one of her under sail in a Auckland Anniversary Day regatta and some of her when she was anchored on the mud flats in Coxs Bay. My father loved her and she was swapped for a property in Te Atatu for Jack who had realised that he needed to be land based as he was starting to struggle living on the boat alone. He had other ailments and his health was deterioating. When we met him he didnt have any legs and we were always amazed at how he was able to swing himself around like Tarzan so quickly, climbing up, down and around Revival at lightening fast speed. Stories of her on the harbour were legendary from not only Jack but some other old mariners who would stop in to see Dad and recite tales of Revival. I recall that she was used as the 'flagship' on year for the Auckland Anniversary Regatta and her mini cannon was used to start the race. Another year she competed in the racing and was clocked at 35 knots racing past the race officials much to their disgust and amazement. She was fast alright. One year a group of doctors that lived in the area asked to take her out sailing on the harbour - probably saddened that she was generally moored at our place rather than being free out there. They took her out and when they returned, I remember one of the men saying to dad that they were a little unnerved at her speed. Dad was so proud of his Revival. We used to visit Jack quite often and he would recite stories of her history, owners and notable moments to Dad on every visit. I have much more I could tell you about her but only if asked. I was just going through some old photos and decided to google Revival Scow and saw this thread come up so thought I should say 'Yes' she was here in Herne Bay. And sadly 'Yes' she did deteriote and was eventually cut up by council after she was deemed to be a marine hazard. In the early 1990's the chap Tom, I mentioned earlier offered to purchase her from dad. My father was in his late 80's by then and agreed to sell her. He asked to keep her anchored outside our place, which Dad happily agreed to. Tom took her out a few times but fell on hard times when he and his then wife started separation/later divorce proceedings. Sadly Revival was neglected and after a couple of bad storms, one in which she broke anchor hit the jetty rocks after Tom decided it was a good idea to build a rock causeway/jetty to have better access at high tide. He didnt have the funds to repair her and I remember going out with dad on that stormy night trying everything we could to get her off the rocks - to little avail. The next morning we saw the damage. Actually it wasnt as bad as we thought, but the result was a large gash in her hull and some large long cracks on the side. We did a quick patch up job on her and I know Dad tried to contact Tom. Dad spoke to his wife, he had moved out, and said she would pass on a message to him. Sadly I dont think she ever did - later I found out it was a bitter divorce, and within a month we had another bad storm and this time Revival had cracked her centreboard casing and sunk. We pumped her out the next day and tried to fix her as best we could but not being her owner we werent allowed to do much. The harbourmaster informed us that unless she was completely submerged or had broken anchor and was adrift or a risk to others, there hands were tied to. My father tried on numerous occasions to find Tom but he had moved to Australia. Dad wasnt allowed to reclaim her as a shipwreck and thus she stayed where she was, slowly sinking between each of our pump outs. There was another cyclone and this was the one that took her out. She had a huge hole on her left side, midway down. I think a rock was the cause that had been dislodged with the huge waves and she had sat on it. Well for a few months she would fill with water each tide and slowly empty out but the sand and silt built up in her and eventually she floated no more. A few months later, the council came with a barge and cut her up. We saved her masts bowsprits, some rigging sails etc but most was lost. I have both her masthead and stern lights (old oil lanterns) and we did have all the other smaller oil lamp navigation lights that were located on both port and starboard 3 each side of the main cabin. There are a few other knic knacks off her too, but sadly some were stolen in 2004. But what I have is a wealth of memories, old yarns from those who owned her and who lived in her era. My father was born in 1908 and knew many ship builders of the day. So when he purchased Revival he did some investigating and researched her well. Oh when purchased she did come with the original navigational maps and other antique treasures. Sadly a terrible end for a beautiful lady of the sea. Regards Caro Brooking
     
  14. Caro Brooking
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    Hi Steve W and sltalk, my father owned Revival the scow that you were talking about and yes it was anchored for many years in Coxs Bay outside our place. We purchased it off Jack Lidgard when he lived on board it round the back of Beachaven. Jack had polio and lived aboard Revival for many years before my father Arch Brooking purchased it. Back then it had a mustard lower hull with white around the mid to top hull, white cabin and mustard roof. I remember the day dad first took us around to see it as kids. I was around 7 years old so that would have been around 1978. He owned it until the mid 1990's when he was approached by a chap Tom who lived in Marine Parade who wanted to purchase it. Dad (Arch) couldnt sail, but loved to occasionally motor around the harbour on her. We as kids used her as a swim-to platform in the bay and later in my teenage hood she was my sunbathing deck and fishing pontoon. Dad painted her light blue where all the mustard bits were. Jack had new engines purchased for her which lived in our garage for many many years. They were two massive red 'Honda' or 'Yamaha' engines from memory. The size of something you would put in a truck. Enormous! Brand new and shiny. I remember when we first saw the boat and Jack took us on board. She was lovely inside with a hand drawn centreboard which also had the drop leaf tables hinged off the centre board casing on either side. She had a lovely old pot belly stove and the galley although very tight was well appointed. Both sides of the boat opposite the centreboard were full length benches with hidden hinged storage and huge mustard coloured vinyl squabs on top. She would sleep 10. 4 on rope stretchers in the bow which you entered through two holes which lead to the main cabin. The mustard squabs on each side would sleep 3 (head to tail) and there was lots of room between each persons feet to the other persons head. She was solid kauri throughout. The masts were removed for some remedial work around 1982. We moved her to the creek bridge in Coxs Bay and used a winch system against the metal original railings to lift them in order to do some repairs on them and the roof of Revival. That was quite the show stopper on the day for the locals. Many stopped and watched the massive feat of good ole kiwi ingenuity at work. On the day we lifted each of the masts we found two coins - one under each mast. One dated 1842 or suchlike from memory and the other 1898. The first coin we were told by Jack Lidgard represented the oldest coin they could find at the time of placement of the mast and other was a current coin for the year of her manufacture. The masts were reinstalled a couple of weeks after they were removed and I remember a Ak Star reporter there on the day asking many questions about her. She was a beautiful boat. Floated in knee high water - that would around 30cm when I was a kid. She had a beautiful solid bow sprit which we loved running off and diving into the water from. Many times as a kid we would shimmy up the masts using the forged iron bars to climb our way up to the top then back down. I have some old photos of her from when Jack owned her and she's moored at the end of another Lidgard family members property, one of her under sail in a Auckland Anniversary Day regatta and some of her when she was anchored on the mud flats in Coxs Bay. My father loved her and she was swapped for a property in Te Atatu for Jack who had realised that he needed to be land based as he was starting to struggle living on the boat alone. He had other ailments and his health was deterioating. When we met him he didnt have any legs and we were always amazed at how he was able to swing himself around like Tarzan so quickly, climbing up, down and around Revival at lightening fast speed. Stories of her on the harbour were legendary from not only Jack but some other old mariners who would stop in to see Dad and recite tales of Revival. I recall that she was used as the 'flagship' on year for the Auckland Anniversary Regatta and her mini cannon was used to start the race. Another year she competed in the racing and was clocked at 35 knots racing past the race officials much to their disgust and amazement. She was fast alright. One year a group of doctors that lived in the area asked to take her out sailing on the harbour - probably saddened that she was generally moored at our place rather than being free out there. They took her out and when they returned, I remember one of the men saying to dad that they were a little unnerved at her speed. Dad was so proud of his Revival. We used to visit Jack quite often and he would recite stories of her history, owners and notable moments to Dad on every visit. I have much more I could tell you about her but only if asked. I was just going through some old photos and decided to google Revival Scow and saw this thread come up so thought I should say 'Yes' she was here in Herne Bay. And sadly 'Yes' she did deteriote and was eventually cut up by council after she was deemed to be a marine hazard. In the early 1990's the chap Tom, I mentioned earlier offered to purchase her from dad. My father was in his late 80's by then and agreed to sell her. He asked to keep her anchored outside our place, which Dad happily agreed to. Tom took her out a few times but fell on hard times when he and his then wife started separation/later divorce proceedings. Sadly Revival was neglected and after a couple of bad storms, one in which she broke anchor hit the jetty rocks after Tom decided it was a good idea to build a rock causeway/jetty to have better access at high tide. He didnt have the funds to repair her and I remember going out with dad on that stormy night trying everything we could to get her off the rocks - to little avail. The next morning we saw the damage. Actually it wasnt as bad as we thought, but the result was a large gash in her hull and some large long cracks on the side. We did a quick patch up job on her and I know Dad tried to contact Tom. Dad spoke to his wife, he had moved out, and said she would pass on a message to him. Sadly I dont think she ever did - later I found out it was a bitter divorce, and within a month we had another bad storm and this time Revival had cracked her centreboard casing and sunk. We pumped her out the next day and tried to fix her as best we could but not being her owner we werent allowed to do much. The harbourmaster informed us that unless she was completely submerged or had broken anchor and was adrift or a risk to others, there hands were tied to. My father tried on numerous occasions to find Tom but he had moved to Australia. Dad wasnt allowed to reclaim her as a shipwreck and thus she stayed where she was, slowly sinking between each of our pump outs. There was another cyclone and this was the one that took her out. She had a huge hole on her left side, midway down. I think a rock was the cause that had been dislodged with the huge waves and she had sat on it. Well for a few months she would fill with water each tide and slowly empty out but the sand and silt built up in her and eventually she floated no more. A few months later, the council came with a barge and cut her up. We saved her masts bowsprits, some rigging sails etc but most was lost. I have both her masthead and stern lights (old oil lanterns) and we did have all the other smaller oil lamp navigation lights that were located on both port and starboard 3 each side of the main cabin. There are a few other knic knacks off her too, but sadly some were stolen in 2004. But what I have is a wealth of memories, old yarns from those who owned her and who lived in her era. My father was born in 1908 and knew many ship builders of the day. So when he purchased Revival he did some investigating and researched her well. Oh when purchased she did come with the original navigational maps and other antique treasures. Sadly a terrible end for a beautiful lady of the sea. Regards Caro Brooking
     

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    Hi Rayman, Steve W and sltalk, my father owned Revival the scow that you were talking about and yes it was anchored for many years in Coxs Bay outside our place. We purchased it off Jack Lidgard when he lived on board it round the back of Beachaven. Jack had polio and lived aboard Revival for many years before my father Arch Brooking purchased it. Back then it had a mustard lower hull with white around the mid to top hull, white cabin and mustard roof. I remember the day dad first took us around to see it as kids. I was around 7 years old so that would have been around 1978. He owned it until the mid 1990's when he was approached by a chap Tom who lived in Marine Parade who wanted to purchase it. Dad (Arch) couldnt sail, but loved to occasionally motor around the harbour on her. We as kids used her as a swim-to platform in the bay and later in my teenage hood she was my sunbathing deck and fishing pontoon. Dad painted her light blue where all the mustard bits were. Jack had new engines purchased for her which lived in our garage for many many years. They were two massive red 'Honda' or 'Yamaha' engines from memory. The size of something you would put in a truck. Enormous! Brand new and shiny. I remember when we first saw the boat and Jack took us on board. She was lovely inside with a hand drawn centreboard which also had the drop leaf tables hinged off the centre board casing on either side. She had a lovely old pot belly stove and the galley although very tight was well appointed. Both sides of the boat opposite the centreboard were full length benches with hidden hinged storage and huge mustard coloured vinyl squabs on top. She would sleep 10. 4 on rope stretchers in the bow which you entered through two holes which lead to the main cabin. The mustard squabs on each side would sleep 3 (head to tail) and there was lots of room between each persons feet to the other persons head. She was solid kauri throughout. The masts were removed for some remedial work around 1982. We moved her to the creek bridge in Coxs Bay and used a winch system against the metal original railings to lift them in order to do some repairs on them and the roof of Revival. That was quite the show stopper on the day for the locals. Many stopped and watched the massive feat of good ole kiwi ingenuity at work. On the day we lifted each of the masts we found two coins - one under each mast. One dated 1842 or suchlike from memory and the other 1898. The first coin we were told by Jack Lidgard represented the oldest coin they could find at the time of placement of the mast and other was a current coin for the year of her manufacture. The masts were reinstalled a couple of weeks after they were removed and I remember a Ak Star reporter there on the day asking many questions about her. She was a beautiful boat. Floated in knee high water - that would around 30cm when I was a kid. She had a beautiful solid bow sprit which we loved running off and diving into the water from. Many times as a kid we would shimmy up the masts using the forged iron bars to climb our way up to the top then back down. I have some old photos of her from when Jack owned her and she's moored at the end of another Lidgard family members property, one of her under sail in a Auckland Anniversary Day regatta and some of her when she was anchored on the mud flats in Coxs Bay. My father loved her and she was swapped for a property in Te Atatu for Jack who had realised that he needed to be land based as he was starting to struggle living on the boat alone. He had other ailments and his health was deterioating. When we met him he didnt have any legs and we were always amazed at how he was able to swing himself around like Tarzan so quickly, climbing up, down and around Revival at lightening fast speed. Stories of her on the harbour were legendary from not only Jack but some other old mariners who would stop in to see Dad and recite tales of Revival. I recall that she was used as the 'flagship' on year for the Auckland Anniversary Regatta and her mini cannon was used to start the race. Another year she competed in the racing and was clocked at 35 knots racing past the race officials much to their disgust and amazement. She was fast alright. One year a group of doctors that lived in the area asked to take her out sailing on the harbour - probably saddened that she was generally moored at our place rather than being free out there. They took her out and when they returned, I remember one of the men saying to dad that they were a little unnerved at her speed. Dad was so proud of his Revival. We used to visit Jack quite often and he would recite stories of her history, owners and notable moments to Dad on every visit. I have much more I could tell you about her but only if asked. I was just going through some old photos and decided to google Revival Scow and saw this thread come up so thought I should say 'Yes' she was here in Herne Bay. And sadly 'Yes' she did deteriote and was eventually cut up by council after she was deemed to be a marine hazard. In the early 1990's the chap Tom, I mentioned earlier offered to purchase her from dad. My father was in his late 80's by then and agreed to sell her. He asked to keep her anchored outside our place, which Dad happily agreed to. Tom took her out a few times but fell on hard times when he and his then wife started separation/later divorce proceedings. Sadly Revival was neglected and after a couple of bad storms, one in which she broke anchor hit the jetty rocks after Tom decided it was a good idea to build a rock causeway/jetty to have better access at high tide. He didnt have the funds to repair her and I remember going out with dad on that stormy night trying everything we could to get her off the rocks - to little avail. The next morning we saw the damage. Actually it wasnt as bad as we thought, but the result was a large gash in her hull and some large long cracks on the side. We did a quick patch up job on her and I know Dad tried to contact Tom. Dad spoke to his wife, he had moved out, and said she would pass on a message to him. Sadly I dont think she ever did - later I found out it was a bitter divorce, and within a month we had another bad storm and this time Revival had cracked her centreboard casing and sunk. We pumped her out the next day and tried to fix her as best we could but not being her owner we werent allowed to do much. The harbourmaster informed us that unless she was completely submerged or had broken anchor and was adrift or a risk to others, there hands were tied to. My father tried on numerous occasions to find Tom but he had moved to Australia. Dad wasnt allowed to reclaim her as a shipwreck and thus she stayed where she was, slowly sinking between each of our pump outs. There was another cyclone and this was the one that took her out. She had a huge hole on her left side, midway down. I think a rock was the cause that had been dislodged with the huge waves and she had sat on it. Well for a few months she would fill with water each tide and slowly empty out but the sand and silt built up in her and eventually she floated no more. A few months later, the council came with a barge and cut her up. We saved her masts bowsprits, some rigging sails etc but most was lost. I have both her masthead and stern lights (old oil lanterns) and we did have all the other smaller oil lamp navigation lights that were located on both port and starboard 3 each side of the main cabin. There are a few other knic knacks off her too, but sadly some were stolen in 2004. But what I have is a wealth of memories, old yarns from those who owned her and who lived in her era. My father was born in 1908 and knew many ship builders of the day. So when he purchased Revival he did some investigating and researched her well. Oh when purchased she did come with the original navigational maps and other antique treasures. Sadly a terrible end for a beautiful lady of the sea. Regards Caro Brooking
     
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