New Zealand Scow

Discussion in 'Sailboats' started by dskira, Aug 9, 2009.

  1. rayman
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    Chris, H.K.Hall built 1901 at Hall Bros Shipyard-Pt. Blakely-Washington.Capacity=1 1/2 million board ft of lumber.She made several runs to Aus. and N.Z. October 1923 struck rocks at MALDON Island, went to Rarotonga(cook islands) for temp. repairs then returned to Sydney. Aus. Cargo was sold by auction as was the ship. Sold to Capt. ?George,for $2000 and sailed to Auckland with a scratch crew. She sailed to Whangarei and loaded coal before sailing for (i think) Antafogasta. There she was re-flagged to Peru and re-named "DANTE".That's where Capt. George did a flit with the $15000. The crew were repatriated as distressed seamen, back to Auckland where Capt. George was hauled before the courts where he lost most of the dosh. He still has family living there today.
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    below a pic of her at Queens wharf-Auckland
     

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    H K Hall

    Hi Ray

    Can you help me further with all you know about H K Hall. I am also interested in Guy C Goss the 4 poster you spoke of what do you have on her I wonder. I cannot find her in my list of 442built 4 mast Barques under any name. What former names did she have and where was she built, could it have been in the Americas. I am reasonably sure she would have been built after 1877?

    Chris
     
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    Chris, I was in error, Guy C Goss was a 3 poster built in Bath-Maine by Goss and Sawyer. Here a pic for you.
     

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    I believe "DANTE" retained her name and became a floating resturaunt in a U.S.west coast port after WW2.
     
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    Guy C Goss

    Yes Ray I have my info from the 1894 Lloyds register. I have a reasonable collection of these registers in my collections. It might be good to do some research into the life of this ship do you know what end she met?
     
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    Dante yes I must find a good American contact for these schooners I lost mine when Harold Huycke died a couple of years ago his knowledge was encylopedic. Most of his collections finished up in Frisco maritime museum they say he wrote up to 800 letters a year and if you got one of those tapped out on his remington it would run to 7-8 pages or more.
     
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    pamir captains

    Captains This is a complete list of Pamir skippers from the day she was launched, I guess your dad was in the crew the New Zealand Pamir association will be able to answer that for you.

    • 1905-1908 Carl Martin Prützmann (DE)
    • 1908-1911 Heinrich Horn (DE)
    • 1911-1912 Robert Miethe (DE)
    • 1912-1913 Gustav A. H. H. Becker (DE)
    • 1913-1914 Wilhem Johann Ehlert (DE)
    • 1914-1920 Jürgen Jürs (DE)
    • 1920-1921 C. Ambrogi (IT)
    • 1924-1925 Jochim Hans Hinrich Nissen (DE)
    • 1925-1926 Heinrich Oellrich (DE)
    • 1926-1929 Carl Martin Brockhöft (DE)
    • 1929-1930 Robert Clauß (DE)
    • 1930-1931 Walter Schaer (DE)
    • 1931-1932 Karl Gerhard Sjögren (FI) •
    1933-1936 Mauritz Mattson (FI)
    • 1936-1937 Uno Mörn (FI)
    • 1937-1937 Linus Lindvall (FI)
    • 1937-1941 Verner Björkfelt (FI)
    • 1942-1943 Christopher Stanich (NZ)
    • 1943-1944 David McLeish (NZ)
    • 1944-1945 Roy Champion (NZ)
    • 1946-1946 Desmond Champion (NZ)
    • 1946-1948 Horace Stanley Collier (NZ)
    • 1948-1949 Verner Björkfelt (FI)
    • 1951-1952 Paul Greiff (DE)
    • 1955-1957 Hermann Eggers (DE)
    • 1957 - Johannes Diebitsch (DE)
     
  8. rayman
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    Chris, Guy C Goss fell on hard times, arrived in Auckland, had writs nailed up and was virtually abandoned. The court awarded the cargo of lumber to the crew (that payed outstanding wages) while the hull was sold as is. Close relatives of mine lived on board as ship-keepers while she was rigged down before being towed about 40 miles down the Hauraki Gulf and put ashore on an extra high spring tide.There she became an accomodation block and a shore bound gravel winning contraption, with part of the mainmast carrying winch wires for a scraper bucket. A mysterious fire began in the accommodation one morning and a lot of her was destroyed. For many years the fore part was there and recognisable but was gradually bulldozed aside. I believe a major part of the keel is still lying around if you know where to look.
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    Ray
    Not being a Kiwi I suppose Hauraki gulf is North Island. Where did you get the thumbnail from I should like to get at a better image. She looked a fine ship in her day. I wouldn`t mind finding that piece of keel for a final photo.
    Chris
     
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    Hi Sltak. My mates' dad (Tom Smith) built the replica Pahiki back in the late 70's, she was first moored up off Glenbrook Beach in the Manakau. My mate & I used to "look" after her while his dad was away at work (on Trans Tasman freighters), and for 3 years or so we would spend all our free time on her while his dad finished rigging her out. She was/is a fantastic vessel, and I actually drew up plans for her for my 6th Form Higher School Certificate Technical Drawing practical assignment - which I've still got around somewhere. My mates sister is still in contact with me so I could find out more modern day info on the Pahiki if you like or are still interested... last I heard about her was her being towed into Tauranga harbour a few years ago after striking some mechanical trouble in the middle of a gale ... so she is still around.
     
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    scow Pakihi

    Thanks for the reply. For some reason I lost contact with this website.
    Regarding the scow, please contact me direct on graemekenyon@hotmail.com
    Many thanks Graeme
     
  12. dhic001
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    Not sure if anyone ever looks at this thread these days, but I can answer the questions raised about the skegs on Jane. The skegs work incredibly well for what we use jane for. Combined with the strakes that run under the hull (almost sister keels that run from the sister deadwoods forward), they give a lot more lateral stability when under power, particularly as the centreboard are always up in river use. They also have the effect of keeping the prop thrust on the rudder when turning as it can't go sideways. The effect when going astern is to ensure that the thrust travels straight forward under the hull, and the waterflow can easily be seen coming out under the bow when she is going astern. I'm certain that if anyone was to build another scow, it is a feature that should be repeated. The skegs seem to have no effect on her sailing ability. I believe dave put sister deadwoods on Owhiti too, but they didn't come aft as far, nor where they so obvious. I haven't asked, but I'm pretty sure the idea would have come from Dave before they were fitted to Jane.

    Daniel

     
  13. sltak
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    skegs

    Its good to see the scow forum continuing. That bit about the skegs answers my question too - I saw Jane Gifford on launching day and thought they looked terrible. I presumed the hull was bare forward of those skegs, and wondered how she would ever handle without the centreboard down. I suppose the keels you refer to balances things up - and the proof of the pudding is in the eating, if she handles well with the board up then that answers it. My scow has no appendages other than the normal skeg, and she does need a little bit of room to handle - she will turn OK even with the board fully up - but I can't say handling in a confined space is her best feature.
     
  14. dhic001
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    To further clarify things, peter added a wear strip keel, sisters keels from the sister deadwoods, and an extra wear strip out at the chines. Hopefully this picture link http://www.flickr.com/photos/28041663@N07/3509086171/ explains this completely. The whole idea was to ensure that the props got good clear pressurised water, and to give the lateral stability. Sure, it isn't the prettiest solution, and its not totally original (although as I said, the same was done to Owhiti), but it works briliantly. An added bonus is that if we ever had a man overboard in the river, we can throw her astern, pull her up in her own length, and the person in the water is protected from the props by the sister deadwoods. Picture link http://www.flickr.com/photos/28041663@N07/3524050279/ the stern with the props in place clearly.
    Hope this helps.
    Daniel
     

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    I want to buy this scow----would the owner please contact me. regards, Ross 4/6/14
     
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