New Gas,...BIG problems

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  1. brian eiland
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  2. parkland
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    Around here, the premium is ethanol free.
    I think a lot of canada is ethanol free premium.
    Weird how they didn't put ethanol in premium, since it raises the octane level.
    It's almost like a conspiracy or something.
     
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    In the USA ethanol is in ALL the gasoline , I have no idea how Canada could be any different.

    Gas is delivered via pipeline and the ethanol with its short lifetime is added to all the fuel stock at the delivery location before the various brand name trucks are filled.

    At that point the octane additive is also added and the truck will pump 3 tanks. OR,

    In some locations the local gas station pump adds the required octane goo , only requiring a single gas tank for the station.

    AS filling the stations tank will stir up the crud in the tanks bottom, its better to pass a station receiving fuel.
     
  4. brian eiland
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    Yes i would wonder also? In the US the pumps just say ethanol added, same pump, all 3 grades. That is why I was unaware of any blend NOT having ethanol in it.

    I wonder exactly how this does work for the great majority of gas stations in the US. I would think it would make the most sense that the ethanol is added at the distributors point rather than at the station. Surely most stations do not have an individual ethanol storage tank, nor does the delivery truck have a separate ethanol storage capability??

    Then the question becomes does the delivery truck carry 3 individual grades? I assume they must, as there are times when a gas station can be out of a particular grade?



    Interesting, .....need to keep that in mind.
     
  5. BMcF
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    Exactly. The only way we can obtain ethanol-free gasoline locally is to buy fuel at a marina. There are regular gas stations that sell it and there is a web site that identifies those stations throughout the US, but none of those in my area.

    :mad:
     
  6. Village_Idiot
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    My local gas station has ethanol-free, here in the middle of the country. I have the choice of 91-octane premium, 87-octane regular and 87-octane w/ up to 10% ethanol added.

    Over in Minnesota, I can't find a gas station that sells ethanol-free gas. But when you cross the border (say, into Sioux Falls, South Dakota) there are many gas stations with marquees advertising "We sell ethanol-free gasoline!".

    I don't buy ethanol mostly because of all the destruction it does to the environment. My brothers don't buy it, either, and they are farmers.
     
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    Alaska: all gasoline is ethanol-free.
    All Canada: Shell V-Power
    Western Canada: CO-OP premium
    New Brunswick, Newfoundland, Nova Scotia, PEI: all premium grade gasoline
    British Columbia: Chevron 94
    Ontario: Costco 91; Canadian Tire 91; Esso 91; Ultramar 91
    Quebec: Esso 91


    http://pure-gas.org/

    Usually we use coop gas.
     
  8. BMcF
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    Lucky you. Hopefully we'll have more ethanol-free options and availability in the not-to-distant future throughout the lower 48 states too. Dealing with the harmful effects of the stuff is almost a monthly chore for me and I'm beyond sick of it.
     
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    Go to that website, it shows where to get it.
    Highly recommended.
     
  10. WestVanHan
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    Think all countries have the exact same laws?

    Anyways Parkland I saw an article a few years ago about some guy who worked out how to get ethanol out of gasoline, can't imagine how what with the many compounds and hydrocarbons all mixed up.
    Can't find it now.
     
  11. Grey Ghost
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    Is there a way to test a 5 gallon tank and find if the gas has ethanol in it?
     
  12. parkland
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    I think you basically mix the gas with water, wait for it to settle out, and the water takes the ethanol out of the gas.
    You'll have to search and find out for sure though, I just remember seeing that.

    Seeing as how water sucks out the ethanol, the way to detect ethanol, was to pour gas and water in a container, mark the level of the water, then stir the crap out of it, wait for it to settle, then check the mark to see if the water is higher than it was.

    I haven't tried this stuff, I just avoid the ethanol mixed fuels.
    If you did buy regular 89, and take the ethanol out, you'd need octane enhancer of some other kind, as the octane rating is achieved with the ethanol.
    So you take the ethanol out of the gas, and you're stuck with an octane rating lower than the gas had when it came from the pump.
     
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  13. WestVanHan
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    It's not worth it-to me anyways-pulling out ethanol,unless you're in the US and it's going to be stored.
    Seems they don't have much of a choice in many places.

    Wonder if molecular sieves would do anything...
     

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    I already stated that there are no places on that list anywhere near me except for marinas.

    So my boat gets good gasoline, at least.;)
     
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