New design for a very old type of boat

Discussion in 'Boat Design' started by David L. Dodd II, Jun 28, 2020.

  1. David L. Dodd II
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    That would indeed be an incredibly race. The falmouth Pilot Cutter is significantly longer and I doubt the pinky could win outright, but neither boat has rule cheating overhangs, and the pinky can hang more sail, so perhaps she could win on time using the old rules.

    I will say, that both boats where built for sea keeping. Unfortunately, racing soon ruined the pilot cutter producing the sickly six beam cutters that where more lead mine than boat. More submarine than yacht. Wet deep and apt to have there floors fall out while underway, the old plank on edge cutters where as fast as they where wet and prone to being driven under by sail. The pinky never underwent racing pressure, and the type remained wholesome until the days of power. Even in storms that destroyed entire fleets of Glouceseter flyers, pinkies road out the rough weather, hove to with helm lashed, at sea and sailed back into port at the end. I would much prefer the pinky in a gale, but I have to admit the cutter is probably faster due to her longer length.
     
  2. Pericles
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    David,
    If you are not aware of it on YouTube, there 77 videos, so far, about the Albert Strange designed Tally Ho. I spent most of the last 3 days watching every single one. Here is Episode 1.
    The series is well known to others who post here. One of the volunteers who helped Leo was inspired to get himself a boat & he has posted 8 videos. YouTube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC5Jr5t5-qtffBte10I_1B8g/videos

    Marathon binge watching perhaps?:)
     
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  3. A II
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    Just for info, the late Tom Colvin's website is to be seen via the WayBack Machine, here's his Pinkies page, and a drawing of the 41' 8" LOA DUNMOWEN design for wood, the rest are multi-chine steel designs from 36' to 53'.

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    2 × the 48' Steel Tom Colvin Pinky, TUSITALLA, (ex-AURORA)
     
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  4. David L. Dodd II
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    Wow thanks for the link. Really incredible.
     
  5. A II
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    Michael Kasten's kinda modern 30 m (98') Indonesian Pinisi resembles somewhat an American Pinky Schooner, which he refers to on his Pinisi history page.

    ‘‘ . . . . . The sailing 'Pinisi' hull form in many ways resembles a cross between two traditional American sailing vessel types, the Pinky Schooner and the Tancook Whaler, even though the 'Pinisi' hull type pre-dates those Western hull forms by centuries. . . . . . ’’

    Here Michael has medium* and large* pics of his 38 m (125') Indonesian Pinisi, and links to some more sizes, like eg. 36 m (118') and 50 m (164'), the larger they are the more KLM aka PLM style he drew them up. (see the bottom line of post #21 for explanation of the KLM/PLM abbreviations)

    ( * the strongly curved horizon makes the world looks like an awfully small sphere there :rolleyes: )

    P.S. - Pinisi ~ Phinisi type of rigtypes of hullPalari Lambo ~ Lamba, info on Wikipedia
     
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  6. A II
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    Re post #20: My impression is Michael Kasten drew up almost North American Pinky Schooner hulls there, and named them Indonesian Pinisi, as he also got some inspiration from there, like eg. the larger on deck cabins, and had them built in Indonesia, mostly of Kayu Ulin (Borneo Ironwood) and Bangkirai.

    Michael's vision about wood vs. steel for these hulls is on his page: Sailing Pinisi vs. Motorized Pinisi (Kapal Layar Mesin) = KLM aka PLM * (see bottom line)

    See ± ¾ down the linked page the paragraph: ‘‘ WHAT ABOUT A STEEL HULL...? ’’
    * KLM = Kapal Layar Mesin = Boat Sail Machine = Motor Sailor, aka PLM = Perahu Layar Motor = Motorized Sail Boat = Motor Sailor
     
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  7. A II
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    I've looked at Brewer's "Time of Wonder" a long time ago, now after your post I've looked again, and saw Ted mentions she was inspired on the "DOVE".

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    TIME OF WONDER A 45' Pinky Schooner for wood construction Brewer / Wallstrom Design #89

    ‘‘ This husky schooner is styled after the DOVE, a fishing schooner built in Nova Scotia, Canada in the 1800s. ’’

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    Ted's inspiration the "DOVE" turns out to be kinda popular among model boat builders . . . .

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    Model Ship Builder - The Pinky Schooner “Dove” (below 3 simplified drawings from the in-line text links)

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    Construction of the 1875 Pinky Pilot Schooner "Dove"

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    Model of the pilot boat Pinky Dove of 1875 — plus more and more pics of this model, all enlargeable by clicking.

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    Pinky Pilot Schooner "Dove" - right pilot's flag of 1875?

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    The pictures and drawings are hotlinked here, and will disappear when the sources go off-line, so save them for yourself if you want to keep them.
     
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  8. M&M Ovenden
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    Hi David,

    Your project is very similar to our boat building project, except our is based on a Brittany Tuna fishing boat. I would like to suggestion an alternate construction method: steel. For a boat this size the material really becomes a good choice. If you are planning on doing more CAD work, having the material NC cut goes a long way!. Here is a bit of a background - Concept and Design http://mimijane.ca/concept-and-design

    Cheers,
    Mark
     
  9. A II
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    Steel is also Michael Kasten's advice for a boat of this size when build in the more developed parts of the world, see the quote about that in post #21.

    I'll guess he talks about boats of 98' (30 m) to 164' (50 m) hull length there, the benefits of steel will be less for smaller boats.
     
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  10. A II
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    Thread: Thomas Colvin's designs post #40
     
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