need help installing new controls

Discussion in 'Diesel Engines' started by ecflyer, Dec 20, 2010.

  1. ecflyer
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    ecflyer Junior Member

    I have 2 helm statios on my new 50' sailboat that I am building. Can I use the standard cable controls or do I need to use elecrtonic controls. I would prefer to use standard cables if possible. The part I don't understand is when at the outside helm station, advancing the throttle would also advance the throttle on the inside helm--would it not? If so, wouldn't there be excess friction on the control operation both inside and out? Do I need to install some special equipment at the point where the control cables attach to the engine? I am not in the least familiar with this. The engine is an 88 hp Yanmar diesel.
    Have a Spiffy G'Day !
    Earl
     
  2. bulk-head
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  3. ecflyer
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    ecflyer Junior Member

    Thanks for the link to teleflex. That answers almost all my questions.

    Have a Spiffy G'Day
    Earl
     
  4. FAST FRED
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    FAST FRED Senior Member

    "Thanks for the link to teleflex. That answers almost all my questions."

    The only one remaining is what do you do while docking at the local YC when a fuse pops?

    FF
     
  5. powerabout
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    same as any Airbus pilot I guess?
     
  6. sabahcat
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    Or get a bucket of water through them
    or if they let the smoke out somewhere remote what then?
    In Australia, the electronic solution is a $10,000 plus proposition

    I am using Teleflex Hynautics that I was lucky to pick up second hand for under $1000
    New, they are close on $10k here
    I am told they are incredibly reliable and easy to work on, if required
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    Service kits and new bits and pieces got it up to $1500
     
  7. bulk-head
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    bulk-head Junior Member

    Nothing wrong with Hydraulic controls..Ive used them for years.. Same with MicroCommander electronic ,fly by wire controls..good stuff and vey reliable when installed corectly.
    You re correct that electronic controls are expensive...its also expensive to retrofit a push pull cable system. Be wise...a major advantage to fly by wire is installation cost and versitility in mounting. . Many wing station applications are simply impossible to achieve with cables bend radius , limited under control head clearance space and may cost over 10 grand in pedastle redesign or instalation modifications.

    I have had very good service from these controls

    http://www.zf.com/corporate/en/products/product_range/boats/controls/controls.html
     
  8. Bglad
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    Bglad Senior Member

    If you are planning to go long range cruising install the system that performs to your expectations and that you are most able to service yourself. If you have a look at the Hynautic system you will find that virtually all the components are rebuildable. You can work on each control head independently without taking down the whole system. Spare tubing and rebuild kits are light and easily stowed. System is charged with water and anitfreeze and requires at least a bicycle pump to keep it charged to 20 psi or so. That's my .02 worth:)
     
  9. powerabout
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    powerabout Senior Member

    I guess if you have a mechanical diesel mechanical controls are the way to go
     
  10. apex1

    apex1 Guest

    Would second that.

    And ecflyer, look for "Kobelt" controls. All very reliable, rugged and proven control sets. Not difficult to install and smooth to operate (the mechanical ones). Worlds better than Morse and the like.
    ZF Mathers are perfect electronic controls, but probably cost as much as the 88hp Diesel?

    So donĀ“t kill the cow for just one steak. Kobelt will be most probably the solution. On a sailboat I assume that you just have one indoor, one cockpit helm. One behind, the other in front of the engine "room" ? Should be not too complicated with a push pull setup.

    Have a merry christmas.

    Regards
    Richard
     
  11. mark775

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    ...And be careful if you decide to go the used Hynautic route. Almost nothing is sweeter than perfect Hynautics... and little is as much of a pain in the *** as bad ones. Yes, there are rebuild kits, but the reason thrifty people can pick up used Hynautics cheap is that the body of (especially) the master and the slave are readily damaged by wear. No amount of rebuilding will bring the wallowed out shaft hole back to round. There are multitudes of these controls floating around, getting snapped up by people who don't know. I could probably find four or five "slightly used" masters in my barn I'd give you - but you would'nt want 'em.
     
  12. FAST FRED
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    FAST FRED Senior Member

    "I could probably find four or five "slightly used" masters in my barn I'd give you - but you would'nt want 'em."

    What would shipping to FL for a complete setup cost? I really need a set!

    A shaft hole can be rebushed really cheaply , and with better material selection can be better than new.

    FF

    33471 Zip
     
  13. mark775

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    Fred, Three masters and one slave and a pressure bottle with a broken gauge (I threw it off the boat into a snow bank a few years ago, thinking nobody would ever use these again!) I found tonight - these are ones I ddn't even know I had. Take what you need. I got pretty good frost bite in one of my fingers carrying these from the barn tonight - I hope you can use 'em!
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    I've definately got more if these don't suit you.
     
  14. FAST FRED
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    FAST FRED Senior Member

    Since its probably going to be a mix and match to get one reliable set , I'll take what your willing to part with.

    33471 is my Zip code here in no frostbite (at least today) Florida .

    Could you stick it in a box and give me the number for the postage $$$ ?

    I'll send the postage in advance.

    Thanks!

    FF
     

  15. mark775

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    The bottle is good. The slave is good. Two of those masters are good. What do you want? Also, I used to work at Delta Marine and there were tons of these things getting swapped out for electronic controls. I ended up with others but of unknown state of repair. Off yachts, mostly, so they don't get the use of workboat ones, so probably okay. The two masters closest to you were off of my boat, I think (tho the control knobs look a little faded - I don't get that) and I KNOW that they did not drool. The red handled one only has one year on it (and some barn time). The other master has a slight drool spot at the shaft. In case someone asks - how does one sleeve that race for the shaft when it gets wallowed out by side loads? You know the feeling when the handle moves a bit in the wrong plane, i.e., left and right. It's worth doing when these things are seemingly everywhere? I know I will never go back to these for any purpose unless a wet skiff or something.
     
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