Bajansailor, Thank you, great picture, I also agree with Gary, but because of my elevation I think I need a 4 HP 2 cycle. I'm at 5100' elevation, and some of the lakes I go to are at over 10,000' elevation, I lose at least 3% HP every 1,000'. I'm not looking to go fast, just fishing, and puttering around, but need enough HP to get back to camp, it's not uncommon, in the high country to have a nice sunny day, and in 10 minutes, it could be gale force winds, with snow and hail, and that is in the summer.