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Discussion in 'Marketplace' started by masalai, Feb 5, 2009.

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  1. Frosty

    Frosty Previous Member

    Delete what post,-- You mean this one?
     
  2. masalai
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    masalai masalai

    Hi Frosty,
    How are things in paradise? I am stuck, trying to find out why an engine refuses to be started... - - Nothing, dead, disconnected, yet everything seems to be in order? I have not gone up to the boat (some 46.2 kilometers away), to run my test probe over the wiring yet...
     
  3. Richard Atkin
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    Richard Atkin atn_atkin@hotmail.com

    at some point the starboard engine was checked and fixed, right? i bet they checked all the connections. so....my guess is it's a damaged wire reacting to vibrations
     
  4. srimes
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    srimes Senior Member

    fuel?
     
  5. whitepointer23

    whitepointer23 Previous Member

    i am only stirring mas, i can't help myself. i actually enjoy reading the post's you and boston and troy put up. i live in a fairly small town, maffra in east gippsland and we leave our back door open for the cats and dogs to get in and out, even if we go away for the week end. never have any trouble. my mother lives 2 blocks away and has to lock everything and set the alarm, they have been broken into. we must look poor enough not to bother with. when you talk about the nanny state victoria would have to be a leader. i moved back here 2 yrs ago after living in w.a for a long time. i still can't get used to the ******** that goes on here compared to w.a. when vic roads check our truck driving log books they fine us $250 per crooked line on each page. $250 if we forget to sign a page , $300 for poor hand writing, $3000 if we forget to fill it out. i have heard of drivers racking up $ 20,000 plus in fines in a day. what has all that got to do with making the roads safer. i suppose it gives the government more revenue to erect more road safety signs. i could go on forever about the victorian government. as soon as i get time i will watch those links . i have been watching a few you tube videos of the twin towers lately, i am trying to figure out how they fell exactly the same as a demolition implosion, sorry i have gone off topic but what do you and the other people on here think of that, how is it even possible.
     
  6. masalai
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    masalai masalai

    whitepointer23
    Oh I forgot to look at the "location" :eek: - ... I lived in WA for some time too, (something like 1976 to 1992 - less several years on assignments in PNG),
    - A 'frontier', full of vibrancy and get-up-and-go then, when compared to the Eastern states...
    - I was in Carnarvon when Bondy toured the "Americas Cup" around all the yacht clubs in WA, even managing to hold it briefly...
    - I have met Carmen Lawrence several times, I have great admiration for her - and,
    - Delight in that Dickey Court can't quite work out where we met before he ascended to WA Premiership :D
    - - - ... I used to race in the trailer-sailer-yachts, the "Court 650" and then a "Court 750" out of 'Perth Flying Squadron' and also do the event down at Busselton...

    srimes,
    To drive, - fuel is about Au$1.47 - or a bit more per liter of petroleum - car I borrow is a Hyundai Getz 1600cc... I get about 5 return trips on a tankful... I need to refuel today...

    Richard Atkin,
    Read "srimes" post - going there today... Fault is electrical and in the starboard engine systems and the circuits are NOT interconnected...
    - Mains voltage - (240V AC) is for galley and domestic services...
    - 24VDC is prime batteries, - charged from 8x175w solar panels, - for supply to mains-inverter, navigation, pressure-water, toilet-maceration and radios...
    - Engines are each separate...
    There is an open circuit or a short circuit or both somewhere in the stbd engine wiring loom...
     
  7. masalai
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    masalai masalai

    Well I am back from the boat, and I checked continuity everywhere - could not find anything that looked like a problem when the key was turned to "on", everything seemed OK with the appropriate warning lights coming on ... Then I tried to start, and then everything died and seemed like a big-short, or heavy-load somewhere as the voltage dropped to about half or less and nothing happened...

    Called the seller and they will come on Wednesday 15 Jun.... The best laid plans - etc.... Bloody Murphy strikes again.......

    So another week of waiting and posting stirring comments here - grin and bare it :D
     
  8. Boston

    Boston Previous Member

    its something simple Mas
    just hang in and deal with it
    everything will be worth it in the end

    cheers
    B
     
  9. troy2000
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    On a car, that would almost surely mean one of the battery cables has a poor connection--usually due to corrosion on the battery posts.
     
  10. masalai
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    masalai masalai

    Every component is new and "marine-standard" quality...

    I check the batteries, cables, switches, fuses, bilges, - - a general visual and 'wiggle-it' check as part of my regular pre-start procedures, or, daily checks, and enter voltages and changes / anomalies etc in the ships log...
     
  11. troy2000
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    troy2000 Senior Member

    Then I suppose it goes without saying that all your wire is stranded instead of solid, and all the connections are tight and clean.

    Wish I could offer you some some constructive help, instead of just wishing you luck finding the problem...
     
  12. Frosty

    Frosty Previous Member

    Troy is correct that is certainly a massive voltage drop due to some ampage draw breaking or reducing the connection some where.

    Wether its all new or not that is the problem. Are you terminals crimped or soldered, try shorting a battery straight to the starter. you got to start at the end and work back.
     
  13. Doug Lord
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    Doug Lord Flight Ready

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    Masalai, 35 years ago I used to wire up 44' motor cruisers for a living-but I'm not sure that means diddly squat at this point.
    It sounds to me like what is happening is that the solenoid on the starter is engaging and pouring power to the starter which is frozen.
    Are you close enough to here the solenoid "click"? Immediately after trying you could go down below and very carefully check to see if the battery cable to the solenoid and/or the solenoid is hot. It must be something like this.
    Good Luck....

    PS- if by any chance I'm right this could be very dangerous: don't try this in the engine room by manually clicking the solenoid-the batteries could conceivably explode. It would probably not be a good idea to do this the way I originally suggested-just in case! Carefully disconnect the battery from the solenoid and have someone listen for the "click"-if it clicks then the starter may be frozen.....
     
  14. Frosty

    Frosty Previous Member

    Think of this as experience necessary if you going to go to coco nut Island all on your own.

    You gotta be able to fix stuff, or you fu... I mean up the creek with out a paddle.

    What engines are they?
     

  15. masalai
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    masalai masalai

    I have the feeling that it may be a starter-motor issue too, but it is now in the hands of the distributor... The engines are sweet and based on the Kubota 722cc three cylinder 21hp diesel... - renown for reliability and robustness and in Melanesian Islands for ready access to spare parts... (as is the Tohatsu outboard for my 'rubber-duckie', now secured on the foredeck of CNO)

    Hi Troy,
    All the wiring is 'marine grade', stranded copper AND tinned.... some, like the short battery leads (as thick as my little finger) are finely stranded copper and where the insulation is removed, I tinned the exposed part & soldered lugs on to the ends, as I could not get 'tinned' unless I ordered a whole roll :eek: ...
     

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