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Discussion in 'Marketplace' started by masalai, Feb 5, 2009.

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  1. masalai
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    masalai masalai

    This concept may have some merit...
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Robert_Malthus#An_Essay_on_the_Principle_of.C2.A0Population
    1815: The Nature of Rent
    Rent constitutes a major concept in economics. David Ricardo, Malthus' contemporary and friendly rival, defined a theory of rent in his Principles of Political Economy (1817). Ricardo regarded rent as value in excess of real production—something caused by incident of ownership rather than by fundamental economic value imparted by free and equal trade. For Ricardo, rent represented a kind of negative money that landlords could pull out of the production of the land by measure of land's scarcity.[44]

    Contrary to this concept of rent, Malthus states that rent cannot exist except in the case of surplus. Also he says that rent, once accumulated, becomes subsequently a source of capital re-investment, causing positive effects through the growth and accumulation of productive wealth. He proposes rent to be a kind of surplus.
    [edit] 1815: The policy of restricting the importation of Grain

    Malthus emerged as the only economist of note to support customs duty on imported grain.[45]

    He had changed his mind from the previous year, siding now with the protectionists. Foreign laws, he noted, often prohibit or raise taxes on the export of corn in lean times, which meant that the British food supply could become captive to foreign politics. By encouraging domestic production, Malthus argued, the Corn Laws would guarantee British self-sufficiency in food.[46]

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  2. troy2000
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    troy2000 Senior Member

    I'll go with Malthus on that one, unless the rent becomes excessive--whereupon it does drain productivity.

    I think his changing stance on the Corn Laws shows that he was a fairly practical man in some ways, rather than a theorist or ideologue thinking in a vacuum.
     
  3. masalai
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    masalai masalai

    Hi Troy,
    Malthus seemed to be aware that charging rent based on productivity during a famine was not viable, but during times of plenty was OK ... a sort of "wealth tax"...
     
  4. Boston

    Boston Previous Member

    wow
    and have you brought this notion to the scientific community and enlightened them with this ( choke hack spit ) information

    solar flairs caused the rise in CO2 :p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p
    so how do you explain the mas isotope data
    or were the CO2 from fossil fuels use went

    Come on man, at least deal with reality, we are at solar minimum and yet still CO2 emissions are at record highs.

    yikes the rest of that last is simply not worthy of response other than to say show the papers, prove there is "strong evidence" bring your evidence to the group and lets scrutinize it and where it came from. For Jebus sakes man where did you come up with that tripe.
     
  5. troy2000
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    I went to Amazon's Kindle Store this afternoon, and downloaded Malthus' book 'On Liberty.' They had two versions: one 'optimized for Kindle' for $0.99, and another one for free. Being a cheapskate, I downloaded the free version.

    Haven't had time to get to it yet, but it looks like a surprisingly short book.

    Before you go wandering off into the blue, it probably wouldn't be a bad idea for you to buy a Kindle and pack it full of the classics, if you're a reader--and I suspect you are.

    Amazon is offering Kindles for US $114.00 with free shipping here in the states--if you're willing to have the screen display ads in the off mode, instead of random authors' portraits, medieval engravings, etc. If you don't want the ads, it's $139.00 with free shipping.

    Those prices are for the wi-fi version. It allows free downloads of anything you order, as long as you can find a hot spot. If you want the deluxe version with 3g on top of the wireless, it'll run you $189.00. And you'll be charged for 3g downloads.

    Don't even bother thinking about the larger version of Kindle. Not only is it horrendously expensive, it's unnecessary overkill. The smaller one is light, comfortable to hold, and very clear and readable. It's about like holding and reading a paperback, only lighter. If your eyes feel old and tired sometimes like mine do, you can change the size of the font with a couple of clicks on a button. The only excuse I can see for buying the larger one would be if you were planning to download a lot of books with illustrations. In which case you might be better off going to an ereader that's in color instead, like the Nook.

    Damn. Did I just write all that? I think Amazon should start paying me commissions.....

    Oh--one more thing. If you're a real cheapskate, or if you're just broke and can't afford a Kindle, I understand. I have one only because my wife gave it to me for Christmas. But Amazon has a free download, called 'Kindle for PC's.'

    If you install that on your laptop or desk computer, you can use it as an ereader. Of course, sitting in front of a computer isn't as convenient as sinking into your berth, turning on the reading light, and stuffing a couple of pillows under you before you balance your Kindle on your belly. But you can't beat free.... particularly since so many of the Kindle offerings are also free.

    For example, I just finished a fascinating book on Great Britain's anti-submarine warfare during World War One (written right after the war, obviously). I doubt anything I learned will ever do me any good, but it kept me absorbed for hours... and didn't cost me a dime.

    Oh.... one advantage of the free 'Kindle for PC's' program is that it does download illustrations in color. Unlike the Kindle itself, which is black and white or grey tone. I could send you a couple of examples, but why risk the wrath of my better half?
     
  6. masalai
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    masalai masalai

    Thanks Troy,
    Melanesian region has negligible access to the internet... (unless someone pays for direct satellite access) :eek: - Also My eyes are getting lazy/tired so reading is in brief bursts or big type on paper (I print it on A4 any stuff I want to consider in depth...)

    I just installed the latest version of Linux Mint 11 "Katya", upgrading from version 7 - ... - 20 minutes for the full install including an Office suite which can read and write to MS Office, Mac & pdf... I can watch movies in almost any digitized form from any region and listen to audio in any format including creating my own with a computer composer for drums and synthesizer (can't play of compose anything but maybe I will learn one day...) and LOTS MORE... - Now it is so elegant and so easy to use...

    Did you know that I can stretch the text box for the BD.net quick reply? - NEAT :D
     
  7. Boston

    Boston Previous Member

    to small to measure accurately :p:p:p:p:p
    caused by solar flairs :p:p:p:p:p
    science is predicting this :p:p:p:p:p

    my god man where do you get your information from
    are you going to continue attempting to spread this tripe or are you willing to present us with actual sources and actual peer reviewed papers to support these wild claims

    please you are on a forum with some pretty well informed people
    if you want to joke around please keep it on the jokes thread

    cheers
    B
     
  8. Boston

    Boston Previous Member

    um
    famous scientist
    please
    this looks more like some denialist blog spot and not a particularity well informed one at that. Monkton is hardly a well respected authority nor are his views "catching on" sorry but the denialist tripe has been presented before and found seriously wanting on numerous occasions
     
  9. Boston

    Boston Previous Member

    sorry Mass but the guy was so far off it was kinda frightening

    we now return you to your normally scheduled programing
     
  10. Richard Atkin
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    Richard Atkin atn_atkin@hotmail.com

    i tried to delete my irrelevant posts but a lot of them are quotes. you guys should delete them, as requested, to keep this forum relevant. i'll delete this one later :)
     
  11. masalai
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    masalai masalai

    The usual way to delete a recent post that you have posted is to use the "edit" function and you will find a delete function - the <delete> buttons appear in 3 ? separate places as a pop-up and must be clicked in turn... That procedure is a bit tedious and slow... Let that be your penance? :eek: :D

    If that fails, then, all I can suggest is that you flag the moderator (Jeff) and identify the post numbers of YOUR posts that you wish deleted... He may do this for both / all who seek to have some posts removed...
     
  12. troy2000
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    troy2000 Senior Member

    Mas, I think Richard means that he deleted some of his posts, but they can still be read as quotes in other people's posts.
     
  13. whitepointer23

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    do you see any good in the world at all. i have been reading some of your posts and now i am depressed, you would have to be the most miserable old fart in queensland. why don't you try and be a bit positive . i like your boat and the boat related posts you leave , just lay off the worlds coming to an end rubbish.
     
  14. Boston

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  15. masalai
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    masalai masalai

    Hi brendan,
    Life is not about possessing stuff, but relationships and helping others... Sadly greed and possession seem to be overwhelming societal objectives and that is begat by greed, avarice - - and lack of empathy and desire to help/love others... That is at the core of my angst... Besides I have a 'wicked stirring type sense of humor'... Some know me and see my goodness...

    That scale has been done (by) DME has spread through the region and beyond... That method is good but leaves a big gap above that concept...

    NOT DOOMED unless we INSIST on continuing BLINDLY in the old ways,,, (worked well for the past 200 years !!! ??? ) ... Society must restructure and be more attuned to 'natures flows', - instead of bashing **** out of the world to force it to comply to "man's will" like a mad mob of arrogant fools...

    OCEANIC farming in a SUSTAINABLE way is one option that may be of worthy consideration on this forum...
    (Oyster farms, Salmon farms in open waters and also fish and prawn farming in tanks on land bast operations...) - - You will notice I did not suggest "harvesting", as a suggestion, as that will lead to greed and resource depletion, as is being felt and witnessed now...

    The rest is history... and in answer to some misconceptions by Richard and it appears - possibly yourself? - - I am old enough to remember, - - and now we make sure the alarm is set (monitored), all the doors and windows are locked and also secured... even so we have been broken into twice...

    In my youth, most homes were left unlocked to allow the cooling breezes to keep the place cool in summer... I have been in places recently - 2004, (not Australia) where I left the keys in the ignition of my car, and nothing was ever stolen from it...

    Did you watch the links advancing points by Troy's post? - or earlier in the post from Gerald Celente's website? - all informative and well regarded globally, and worthy of your attention...

    Now I am waiting to borrow a vehicle to go and test the wiring loom of my boat to find what is causing the engine starting difficulties...
     
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