Motor Sailers?

Discussion in 'Motorsailers' started by Viceroy, Apr 2, 2002.

  1. Ronald
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    Ronald Junior Member

    Noordkaper

    RHP was mention the storm boards on the forum,

    I do not think you need or want them, because you like to sit inside, and look around during bat rainy or cold wheater.

    You are safe and dry inside.

    Yes we are building the boats custom build.

    We have a small Yard in the Northern part of Holland and build max 4 boats in a year.
     
  2. RHP
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    RHP Senior Member

    You guys win, the glass is safe.

    Dont forget to water the tomatos every other day...
     
  3. RHP
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  4. Guillermo
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    Guillermo Ingeniero Naval

    I like very much Noordkapper's looking and concept, Ronald. :)
    Maybe sometime I'll visit your shipyard (if you allow me so) as I go from time to time to your area. I've sailed the Ijselmeer several times.

    Stormboards can be made of some kind of transparent plastic, no problem with that. I know some of the salty globetrotting members of the Banjer 37 MS Club have them, but they told me they have never used them, even in offshore heavy weather sailing because of the fuss.

    Cheers.
     
  5. Ronald
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    Welcome

    You are always Welcome to visit the yard.
    You will see how different the yacht with the same hull can be, wen you build a boat custom.
    We are in the Northern part of the IJsselmeer near the "dijk"
    I think indeed the concept is good fore cruising. End this month there is a test result in the German magazine Blau Wasser.

    Ronald
     
  6. lazeyjack

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    Found this in the sponsers section upon this site, can anyone explain the bottom
    Lot of boat for the money, ask 260k, but want out, , repowered with a 120 4cyl JD would be great world cruiser
     

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  7. lazeyjack

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    better view
     

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  8. Ronald
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    Ronald Junior Member

    It looks like that some one with al lot of fantasy start welding on this boat, not rely drowned by a architect I hope.
     
  9. lazeyjack

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    well what about this type. i call her a 100/100. powerful under sail and power, with v long range and smallish strong engine
    Sorry if some of the older hands have seen before, But I would like some opinions alloy, 18 tonne disp, 8000kg keel
     

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  10. TeddyDiver
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    TeddyDiver Gollywobbler

    Makes me a bit cautious when I see triple spreaders on a cruiser/motorsailer. Not KISS and maybe had trouble with rightening moment with proper mast profile...
    Anymore info?
     
  11. RHP
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    Looks like a pilot house cutter to me.
     
  12. lazeyjack

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    yes I was peeved with the rig, but it stands up ok, I built it, so i guess there is a lot more info:)) your eye line when seated is haffway up the window,
    i found the inside wheel was a waste money, and installed a joystick, The big quartering seas push her a bit, but she runs very quiet upwind because of rounded sects forwards, 2 sail reaching in the flat, i have seen 13kts, built her on spec, and sailedher for the buyer for 6 years 8MM alloy bottom, 6mm topsides, 16.4m , 4.7 beam 2.1 draught, scheel keel, 48 FEET ON WL, some more pics in my gallery VAS at dep 138 degrees, at arrival 132 degrees very sim to oyster and swan same dimensions although she is much lighter than Oyster there are some more pics in my gallery
    if you notice, after 6 years in thsi hot climate, the shine is still on topsides, that is International paints linear urethane, same as the top awlgrip, the thing I dont like abt those two are, you can not polish or touch up,
     
  13. lazeyjack

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    I had hoped for orders, I developed for NA market, but was tough going, and down here no body wants expensive monos
     

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  14. Guillermo
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    Guillermo Ingeniero Naval

    Nice looking boat Stu.
    She seems not to have backwards runnig rigging to tension the babystay and to have an in-boom mainsail furler. How does that work?
    What's her DWL displacement and how much ballast?
    Could you post her parameters and ratios?

    Cheers.
     

  15. lazeyjack

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    Hello Guillermo
    i used kevlar runners when in head seas, they are tied back to the chain plates, and run though a quartering block back to the secondary winch
    DWL AT 19000 with 1700 l fuel and 800 water
    Ballast 7500 lead with 500kg keel structure approx,
    I will go find my papers on her I was so busy building I never took too much notice of the rig, left it to Sparcraft NZ, realised that you cant beat aft lowers
    The in boom furling, is leisurefurl, you can actually reef reaching an running, the load on the reefing line is enourmous, 10mm spectra . The trick is to find the right vang tension when furling, and mark the place, they are very very expensive, I would not have one again , because the loads are heavy, AND the wear on luff, when furling is high too.but with Nimbus, the boom so high, was only solution
    The furling is done with what I called my workstation winch, on roof, that winch and the primarys, hydraulic, the head sail furlers Bamar Italy Electric I could sail her alone, as long as she was on pilot
    The other issue was the sheeting angle of the staysl, next time, bo baby stay, aft lowers , and self tacking boom,
    Principal dimensions and spec

    L.O.A 55’ Hull length 53’9”

    LWL 48’

    Beam moulded 15’5”

    Disp. Cruising mode 19000kg 41800lbs

    Ballast lead 7600plus keel structure 500kg total 8100kg 17120lbs

    Sail area/disp ratio 19.1

    LWL /Disp ratio 177

    Engine-main 85 Cummins with TwinDisc 2.4:1 option John Deere 85 (John Deere is now preferred as this engine offers replaceable wet liners and has a significant price advantage in NZ and Aust. A slower turning diesel was chosen over the lightweight very high speed diesels because Deere and Cummins where happy to have their engines running at low speeds 1000—1500 revolutions for very long periods, whereas the high speed option required high speed fuel guzzling operation in order to satisfy warranty requirements

    Genset Northern Lights 6kw@ 110 vac 5 kW @220 vac

    Invertor Trace 4000x24(4000watt 24 vdc) sine wave 120 a/h charge

    House Batts 8x16l 6v Dyno wet cell giving 750-amp hour at 24 vdc

    Starting 2x12volt giving 24 volt

    Steering Whitlock cable with B@G hydraulic auto pilot working off 50cc ram to tiller, attached to 2205 ss rudder stock 31/2” with 3/8 inch framed rudder skinned 316l ss

    Fuel 366 imp gals in 3 tanks

    Range in excess or 1500 miles, filtration Racor

    Water 200imp gals with Spectra desalinater unit

    Thru hulls all flanged isolated ss ball valves

    Sea chest one box feeding all services

    Winches hydraulic Meissner primaries and workstation, Man. Secondaries total 8

    Capstan Maxwell 3500 hydraulic

    Ground tackle 330 ft 10mm chain 300 ft 20mm laid rope
    All docking lines 3/4in laid x 8. Fendors x 6

    2x stockless fixed head

    Hatches Weaver x 8

    Mast 3 spreader Sparcraft

    Boom Leisurfurl in boom fully battened main

    Furlers, 2 x electric Bamar

    Deck gear Harkin , harkin triroller sheet leads
    Sails 4, main, yankee, cruising spinnaker, staysail

    Deck, teak, to cockpit and transom steps, Treadmaster to all other surfaces

    Tender Maxim 2,6m with 8hp Mariner

    Raft 6 men RDF

    Structure

    Qualified yacht builders, under NZ Maritime supervision, builds the M55 in aluminium alloy. The structure is designed to be container proof and the rudder to withstand swipes from a whales tail

    Stainless steel was chosen for the rudder in order to keep the sections slimmer and to provide superior strength

    The paint system allows for use of copper antifouls, using the Zeca system, which protects the hull from electrolyses .All, top yards now have used this system for over 6 years with excellent results

    Maiden Voyage

    The M55 maiden voyage was a Tasman Sea passage. Auckland to Brisbane

    For 4 days the wind and current were right on the nose with winds to 50 knots sustained 30-40 over 48 hours resulting in very steep sea estimated at up to 30 feet (500 mile fetch at 30 knots equals 30 feet wave height not allowing for currents)

    We chose to motor sail into this at 3-5 knots, at all times we felt safe, when turned side on to the weather the 55 rode like a duck, she was free of solid water in the cockpit at all times and only on several occasions took heavy water on the house front this may not seem like extreme weather, but with rain and lightening and a green crew, it was plenty for a maiden voyage After this we had flat calm and indeed ended up motoring for the entire trip, the big fuel tank capacity coming into its own. Once into Morton Bay we hit 13.5 knots two sail reaching. The B@G pilot steered the whole way over with no problems
    The leisure furl boom (see BWS article on reefing systems) was indeed able to furl down at any point of sail, which is a huge plus, the trick being to mark the vang and leave it alone, if the boom is at the wrong angle then the sail will act like a conveyor belt with a misaligned roller, it will track to the high end.

    Summing up the Builder was happy with a ship that was built to withstand container strikes, that is comfortable at sea, has a very good motoring capably yet sails well. In particular the siting of the winches enables them to be operated at waist height from the side deck and from the cockpit with one knee on the seat and the other foot on the deck switch.
    At all times the large cockpit with its sole at main deck level, felt secure and proved to be a very accessible social area

    Stability

    The righting moments calcs show similar characteristics to Swans and other top boats in this size range (Yachting 1999) and the calculated VAS 138 at departure and 132 at arrival. These figures more than comply with the Sydney / Hobart race requirements
    Millennium Yachts Ltd is a NZ regd company incorporated in 1985 as S.F.Hearn Maritime Construction Co Ltd.
    The company specializes in alloy yachts. Built in the Euro tradition, that is transverse framing only. This old technique requires much more accuracy in the build than in the longitudinal method; the result is a clean interior to the hull, no water traps and a much stronger bottom with fully welded floors at 16-inch centres.
     
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