Moth on Foils: 35.9 knots(41.29 mph)

Discussion in 'Sailboats' started by Doug Lord, Apr 11, 2006.

  1. OzFred
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    You really have to ask where the class is headed though. 8,000 hours of development is approaching 5 person year's effort, with at least another 12 months to go so development cost must be around €200,000 to €250,000 conservatively.

    Nor does it look like a cheap boat to build, so the price must be around €27,000/USD30,000 which might suit professional sailors, but the rest might as well forget about it. A second main foil will set you back another €2,000 (pretty much mandatory if you want to be near the pointy end of the fleet) and another €2k for a spare sail, which only lasts a year unless you're an amateur sailmaker and can keep it fresh.

    Sure there are a lot of second hand boats around, but they require constant maintenance (which is mostly time once you get your carbon and epoxy skills up to speed) and occasional major repair. I don't think the current trajectory of ever increasing cost is sustainable.

    AMAC must be smiling though, the WASZP is well positioned as an alternative to a second hand Moth, though at the cost of quite a bit of performance.
     
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    I spent a few minutes re-living my past and looking at those.There should be a couple of image files somewhere hereabouts.I was particularly impressed by the elegance of the wings on the grey foiler as they can easily be removed for transport and that makes the process a lot more manageable.
     

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    The Lithium Moth with the lid off.Some nice carbon work below the mast step.Elsewhere in the building another Lithium hull was being used to promote composite products and I suspect there is an element of symbiosis between the development with the materials and the development of the boats. Lithium hull.jpg Moth with no lid.jpg
     
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    No doubt it's beautiful, I can't wait to see the foils. :)

    The aero efforts seem to have stopped at the hull and wings, with a standard CST rig and truely ancient adjustable stay anchors mounted for maximum drag (but least damage to humans flying by…). I'd have liked to see them pull out all stops and have a deck–sealed main and canting rig. Perhaps they've put a borrowed rig on the boat just for the show.

    A local was tinkering with this stuff 6 years ago, less elegant but I think ahead of where these guys are: Nick Flutter's Moth Design Blog. Unfortunately Nick doesn't have the resources or time to fully develop his ideas, maybe these guys should have talked to him.

    Sales are dependent on getting it into the top 10 at a well–attended nationals or worlds, which means buying a very good (top 20 at least) Moth sailor or two and sponsoring them to a number of championships. That's a lot easier in Europe than the USA or Australia.
     
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    Excuse me Doug, but a few days ago I trusted one of your links and put up some information from it. You then put up insulting posts saying that I had posted false information.

    If YOU say that YOUR links give false information, why do you keep on putting them up?

    If YOU say that YOUR earlier links gave false information, why should we rely on your new links?
     
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    I'm confused. Are you saying that Benoit Marie didn't win the Moth Europeans?
     

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    It's just that Doug has a record of linking to an article as evidence for his views and then later, when someone refers to the same article, spamming multiple threads with posts calling the information "false".

    How can Doug expect us to rely on and discuss the information he uses as evidence for his beliefs, if we have no way of knowing what paragraphs he believes to be true and those that he believes to be false?

    If he believes part of the articles he links to and relies upon are false, shouldn't he use good manners when discussing the claims we made in reliance upon the article he used and linked to?
     
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