moment of inertia

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  1. abhishek
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    generally we find bottom shell parallel to base for big ships and even for small ships also but for some coastguard vessels like inshore patrol vessel we dont find the bottom shell parallel,(ie) bottom shell is with some small angle to the base, now to find out section modulus first when we check the moment of inertia, as the plate is a rectangle which is making angle with the base as said. now to find out moment of inertia for bottom shell if it is parallel to base i know moment of inertia is (width *(thickness cube))/12. but when is making some angle like 5 degree with base (ie) bottom shell plate , what is the formula for finding moment of inertia for that plate which is making angle with the base......
     
  2. Ad Hoc
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    It is a function of the total depth, in the vertical plane.

    I = A.n^2/12


    I = inetria
    A = X.Sectional area
    n = depth of section

    So for a rectangluar shape, formula is
    I = bd^3/12

    Hence depth = n^2/12 = b^2/12

    Therefore I = A.b^2/12

    Where area = b.d

    Ergo I = (b.d) . (d^2/12) = bd^3/12

    QED
     
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    you r right Ad hoc sir, it is for vertical or horizontal plane, if it for an inclined plane what is that we do? i think we have to resolve that into vertical and horizontal components may be we get that in sin and cos angles. is that right?
     
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    Do it by differential elemental area, the Parallel Axis theorem does not always make it easier.

    If you want, you can think of a thin plate of span (s) and thickness (t) at some angle of inclination (theta) as a large number of thin layers that can be stacked up into a rectangle. In this case h(approximate) = s*sin(theta)+t*cos(theta) and b(approximate) = t*sin(theta)+s*cos(theta), but this is only approximate for t/s << 1.

    Check here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_moment_of_area
     
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    abhishek
    Please re-read my post again.
    The depth is the depth of section, in the vertical plane. (This is assuming you wish to find the interia about the vertical plane for ALL members). So, a plate that is horizontal, the depth is the normal section depth, or thickness. If the plate is at an angle, of 5 degrees, what is this depth, it is the sine of 5 degrees!
     
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    THANKS FOR YOUR REPLY AD hoc sir, (So, a plate that is horizontal, the depth is the normal section depth, or thickness. If the plate is at an angle, of 5 degrees, what is this depth, it is the sine of 5 degrees!) this is the answer u have given ,but i think when we resolve that into vertical and horizontal components, when we do for the horizontal component we get the answer in cos (theta), as cos (theta)=adj/hyp, so we her adj is the base and hyp is the plate, so for this M.I=bd^3/12*cos(5 degree0 and for vertical component bd^3/12*sin(5 degree). tell me whether i am correct or not, if correct how can i get the resultant moment of inertia which includes both horizontal and vertical components in the same formula.......
     
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    Maybe we need to ask a question here...which moment of inertia are you trying to find?

    Assuming standard x axis fwd, y axis Stbd, z axis down....

    Iyy, the area moment of inertia of the midships section in vertical bending: the double integral of z^2*dArea

    Izz, the area moment of inertia of the midships section in horizintal bending: the double integral of y^2*dArea

    Iyz, the minimum area moment of inertia of the midships section in bending : the double integral of yz*dArea

    Ixx, the mass moment of inertia of the ship in roll: the triple integral of yz*dVolume*rho
     
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    Your question is now getting into details...only way to be clear now, is with a diagram. See attached.
     

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    ya this is what i want to explain you Ad hoc sir, here as the bottom shell is not a straight, which is inclined to the base as the plate is a rectangle as it makes an angle of 5 degree with the base , can i have an answer M.I=b*d^3/12cos(5degree) for x asix (ie) horizontal component and bd63/12sin(5degree) for y axis (ie) for vertical component. and i want what k refers in the diagram u have shown me?.............
     
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    abhishek
    I think you are getting confused.
    please read my post #2 again and look at the diagram in post #8.

    All you do is measure the vertical distance, what ever it is and however you calculate it.

    The vertical distance, in correct terms, is the vertical distance that is perpendicular to the axis of the inertia that you are calculating.
     

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    thank you sir i got my answer...............
     
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