Modern Wooden runabout design

Discussion in 'Wooden Boat Building and Restoration' started by JFH, Oct 1, 2013.

  1. JFH
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    JFH Junior Member

    Hi All,

    I have been away for a while but, am back looking for a new boat to build for myself. The last time I used this forum was to look for someone to help me with a Gravete Streamliner build. I did receive some great help and actually completed the boat a few years ago for a customer.

    Now, with two teen boys and some waterfront property on a protected lake, I need an inboard ski/runabout design that can be like this one from Boesch

    http://www.boesch-boats.ch/image_rendered/uploaded_boat_2/main/720x204_ratio.jpg

    Also http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_bHNeJ7VYvpE/S79NYDxolRI/AAAAAAAAAOk/9BDiOHkKebQ/s400/rivena+22+mahogny.jpg

    And especially this look
    http://www.marineclassics.co.uk/new-boat4.jpg

    Is there anyone out there willing to help me design this baby?
    I have lots of old growth mahogany in stock. Can use ply for the bottom with CNC cut frames (shopbot) and can choose from a "Y" block Ford or a 327 Chev for power. New propulsion system would be feasible too.
    Let me know what you think.
     
  2. michael pierzga
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  3. PAR
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    PAR Yacht Designer/Builder

    Yep, lots of choices available in stock plans and of course nearly anything is possible in a custom design (bring your purse).

    As to "helping you design this baby", well it's unlikely you'll find this level of hand holding, but you could make aesthetic modifications to a stock design, to suit your styling requirements, fairly easily. The moment you start to foll around with the running surfaces and weight allocations, you'll want to have your efforts certified.

    Lastly, a new or old 327? I love the old 327, with all of it's flaws, but I can think of a lot better bases to start with then nearly half a century old iron. The 3.25"/4" stroke/bore combination made it a sweet reving puppy, nearly as good as the 3"/4" 302. I'm not sure how important this will be in a boat, unless it's a drag machine. Most boats prefer a bore/stroke combination arranged for torque production, then quick throttle response and high RPM's.

    You don't even want my opinion on a Y block Ford, particularly in light of the Windsor and Cleveland availability. Granted, I suspect you just happen to have these puppies on hand, but maybe a trade for something that doesn't spit out valve trains like melon seeds (Y block) or possibly a 4 bolt main to tolerate some serious HP and/or abuse.
     
  4. JFH
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    JFH Junior Member

    Altering a Stock plan

    I would prefer to alter a stock plan. The Y block I have on hand as well as the old 327 and I am not convinced that they are the answer.

    My main goal on this forum is to get some idea where I can have plans drawn up that suit my needs. The last link on my post has a very interesting "flat sided" hull that looks fairly easy to build. I can modify the topsides as far as deck and dash but, the weight distribution would definately have to be calculated.

    A modern 5.7L PCM motor installation is what I put into the last boat and it works superbly so, maybe that is my best shot for reliability.

    In the end, it should be a modern (not done before) take on a family sport boat for the cottage. I should be able to drag skiers and take guests out for a cruise in style with the rumble of a V8.
    Epoxy sides with 2 part poly paint, mahogany transom parts with swim platform made of black locust or mahogany or teak (all in stock). Bow rider is possible with mahogany interior features and maybe a modern "NuTeak" floor.

    I like the look of the new boats coming out of Germany like the
    http://teureyacht.de/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/frauscher_686_lido_editione_dino_feltrinelli.jpg

    A centre console with seating in the bow would also be nice. V-drive or straight drive is ok with me.
    We need somthing like this in northern Ontario (Muskoka area) and there is a market for them.

    If I had plans for a decent hull (which I could lift from a number that I have in stock) and some assurance from an architect that the design would work as planned, I would begin cutting the molds.
    I will draw up the look and post it asap. That I can do. I just do not want to have to take the time to experiment on new programs for designing when there are better people for that job out there.

    Cheers,:
     
  5. rasorinc
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    Check out Glen-L marine designs. They have several classic designs in various lengths. Also, they have customer build photos and a very good forum where you can talk to people who have built these boats. All inboards designed by NAs.
     
  6. messabout
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    messabout Senior Member

    JFH; you are to be heartily commended for your display of good judgement. You have agreed that a professional design is a better bet than a DIY design. We have so many well meaning newbies that believe that they can design their own just as well as a pro designer. The pro knows why he is specifying some running line or other while the DIY person is beguiled by a line that only satisfies his sense of correctness or style.

    Disclaimer: I am not a designer, just an experienced observer.
     
  7. michael pierzga
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    Its not just the engineering that the NA supplies, its the build technique and materials list.

    Dont underestimate how much money and time this saves.
     
  8. ancient kayaker
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    ancient kayaker aka Terry Haines

  9. lohring
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    Two modern runabout designs:
    The Alpha Z and a deep v redesign of the Chris Craft Cobra.

    Lohring Miller
     

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  10. JFH
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    JFH Junior Member

    An Austrian find..

    I have been studying the Frauscher Boats. for the last while. I really like the Lido with it's layout and modern design.
    My choice would be to make a one off, cold-molded boat with this type of layout.
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    or this one for cottage country in northern Ontario.
    [​IMG][​IMG]

    This second boat has a sweet layout that will allow for family fun and cruising. I do not like the V-drive and am used to the straight shaft installation but, for the sake of more room... this would be more useful.
    The hull design does not have to be stepped but, could have one. I have done some step hulled work in wood on a 1950's design.
    Teak & holly floors, custom dash and interior... This could be fun.
     
  11. AnthonyW
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    keep us posted please

    Please keep us posted / updated on the progress of this project - very interested in how this develops or progresses. Building (albeit very slowly!) a boat myself, and would be keen to do something similar when my current project is finished.
     
  12. JFH
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    JFH Junior Member

    Free Ship trials

    Hello,

    I am trying some "Freeship" models right now and working with old fashion pencil and paper & paper models. I hope to post some sketches and ideas for material llists and power and then some real " pros" can take critical look.
    Hopefully by the end of the week but, am very busy at the moment.
    My plan is to produce a version of this boat for myself to test and for possible production in small numbers.
    Lots of interest from some friends here in Ontario's cottage country..

    Cheers,

    Jim
     
  13. JFH
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    JFH Junior Member

    Hey guys,

    I have been looking for the right boat and have determined that the way to do it is to use a hull design that works and then design the interior so that it suits my needs and respects the hull properties as well.
    Thanks for the emails and suggestions. I would like to know if anyone has a suitable hull that looks like the Frauschner line? With that start, I can deal with most of the other problems myself.
     
  14. JFH
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    JFH Junior Member

    If I eliminate the need for any steps on the hull, that would make it easier to do myself. I am not after high performance, just good performance, great looks and buildability.
    The reason for an open concept helm in cottage country, is for the ability to move to any part of the boat when boarding or disembarking.
    I also like the ability to step in and out from either end of the Frausher Lido. The downfall of this design would be rain and covering up with some sort of bimini. Maybe a snap on cover for the bow and a built in arch that works with the rear tarp.
    The walk out on the back is ideal for swimming and water sports and really makes this boat adaptable to many uses.
    With the same hull, this boat could be made into a version with the bow closed with a straight drive inboard. The long deck could house a large or small engine and possible a "mother-in-law" seat at the bow.
    Just thought I would throw that out there..
     

  15. AnthonyW
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    Might not be practical, but if you have your own quay, then I always thought a sort of 'targa' top could be quite between the windshield and the back seats. Would need to be light enough to lift out of the boat and store next to the quay on clear days, but it could convert an open boat to one that can deal with rain quite quickly and quite nicely -provided you don't get surprised by the weather. Could work similarly for the front bow with another removable cover. Bimi's always look quite messy to me, never been a fan of canvass upkeep.
     
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