Minimum Passagemaker/Cruiser

Discussion in 'Boat Design' started by mydauphin, Sep 29, 2010.

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What is minimum that you can handle?

Poll closed Oct 29, 2010.
  1. I can only live in a proper yacht

    2 vote(s)
    6.1%
  2. Need: Size between 40 and 50 feet

    8 vote(s)
    24.2%
  3. Need: Size between 30 and 40 feet

    15 vote(s)
    45.5%
  4. Need: Size smaller than 30 feet ok

    8 vote(s)
    24.2%
  5. Need: Power

    22 vote(s)
    66.7%
  6. Need: Sail

    19 vote(s)
    57.6%
  7. Need: Single Engine

    24 vote(s)
    72.7%
  8. Need: Twin Engine

    5 vote(s)
    15.2%
  9. Need: Head and holding tank

    26 vote(s)
    78.8%
  10. Need: Air conditioner and Generator

    7 vote(s)
    21.2%
  11. Need: Watermaker

    15 vote(s)
    45.5%
  12. I don't care if interior looks like my garage

    8 vote(s)
    24.2%
  13. Need: DC Power Only

    15 vote(s)
    45.5%
  14. Need: Carpeting

    4 vote(s)
    12.1%
  15. Need: Wood floors

    9 vote(s)
    27.3%
  16. Need: Satellite TV

    3 vote(s)
    9.1%
  17. Need: Internet

    13 vote(s)
    39.4%
  18. Need: Hot Water Shower

    18 vote(s)
    54.5%
  19. Need: Manual Bilge pumps

    17 vote(s)
    51.5%
  20. Need: Propane Stove

    16 vote(s)
    48.5%
  21. Need: Freezer

    12 vote(s)
    36.4%
  22. Need: A boat that won't shame me at the marina.

    12 vote(s)
    36.4%
  23. Need: Windlass

    18 vote(s)
    54.5%
  24. Need: Dingy

    26 vote(s)
    78.8%
Multiple votes are allowed.
  1. michael pierzga
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    michael pierzga Senior Member

    Generally you carry as many crew as you have SEA bunks for. 3 would be a good number. It normally takes 2 crew to do a job...with three you have an extra watch stander. For most people even three crew is too much...very difficult to find ocean crossing skilled crew, seaman, that you want to cross with and who have the time.
    On a long trip a reading desk with a very good seat is well worth its space. Bunk , sleep, reading off watch is tiresome.
    A good ocean boat also has a Day Head. Many times , for days on end the normal heads are very difficult to use due to sea state. An amidships day head with a full teak grate floor is needed when changing out of foul weather gear. This day head will also have to drying locker for gear.
    Wheelhouse Black out curtains are the easiest light blocker for small craft. Even then you don't often use them with a small crew because off watch everyone is bunked down and sleeping. Physically tiring at sea.. caused by the nonstop motion of the boat . Well designed wheelhouses are fitted with a pilot berth for heavy weather watchstanding
     
  2. FAST FRED
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    FAST FRED Senior Member

    "For most people even three crew is too much"

    Not really, 3 hours on watch , 6 hours off is a cruisers delight.

    The old 4 on 4 off sucks .Both crew are exhausted all the time.

    FF
     
  3. michael pierzga
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    michael pierzga Senior Member

    Hard to find three crew Fred...Its the curse of the boat owner.
     
  4. Pierre R
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    Pierre R Senior Member

    On a minimal boat its hard to find crew.
     
  5. apex1

    apex1 Guest

    I dare to disagree,

    as the entire industry does! But of course you are free to follow a skilled amateur, rather than us professionals.

    Beebe described, more or less, a coastal cruiser with some extended range.
    We (yards and NA´s) agree since ages that we include longer range into the SOR to make it a true passagemaker. At least the longest open ocean passage, required on a circumnavigation, should safely be done with some 15% fuel reserve.
    So, his 2400 miles are insufficient.
    His A/B ratio is utter nonsense, as Tad already pointed out, and misused today as a marketing tool to sell floating condos.

    No, Beebe used the term as the first one publicly known, but he was not the one to understand it right!

    The more knowledgeable parts of our industry know much better, than he ever did.


    To the berth in the bow.
    Go and sleep one night in such a berth! Even when moored, you find no proper sleep in the standard "king size" berth when the "foot end" point towards the bow. You loose the pillow every other moment, that makes for a uncomfortable night.
    Imagine that, in a average swell at sea, in nice conditions. When you are the only one in the bed, you roll from side to side, or have your muscles under tension all night long, to prevent rolling. No way to sleep........

    The bow is storage, not accommodation. Which makes our boat another 2 meter longer!

    I know sh@abbycat will spread his drivel again, and tell us, that his cat is the better choice. Let him go to sea in it, if he ever manages to get it done. He will soon learn, that he has what he wants, a island hopper, but not a passagemaker.

    And before the ever so popular attack by sh@abbycat and others comes up again:
    I do not promote any of my production boats here! Never I have done, and never I will do so!
    The "Perfect Passagemaker" we try to find on my threads, is not produced in my yards, when it comes to production! Hence, all those attacks in the past have been just what they should be, a senseless attempt to lower my credibility. It did not function, Dudes. The response on my posts shows that clearly.

    Regards
    Richard
     
  6. sabahcat
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    sabahcat Senior Member

    Who is spreading drivel?

    Perhaps you can point to one, JUST ONE post where I said a cat is a better choice?

    I said it was another choice

    But you keep twisting the facts, making **** up and acting the dick
     
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  7. Maddie
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    Location: Trinidad & Tobago

    Maddie Junior Member

    After having had enough of the royalty on this site, and not posting for a while, I decided to check the dictionary for the word 'passagemaker'.

    Surprise, surprise.

    –noun
    1. a vessel designed for, or capable of, making a long distance voyage.

    http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...sg=AFQjCNEilIvcFEP1WHjbvcp6p_c7gwp9bw&cad=rja



    It seems that the rulers of this site should get together and produce a dictionary with all haste, so that us lesser beings can understand their rarefied language. If we don't understand the meaning of words, how can you master experts blame us for calling catamarans, or even 2250 nm range vessels, passagemakers.

    Please retire to your studios and produce this much needed nautical dictionary for the glory of the industry.
     
  8. sabahcat
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    sabahcat Senior Member

    That Passagmaker that went from South Africa to the Caribbean on its own bottom takes care of all of your Mono hulled sleeping issues.

    Leopard 37 Power Cat delivered Trans-Atlantic on own bottom

    [​IMG]

    Imagine how good a light 50ft cat would be
     
  9. TeddyDiver
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    TeddyDiver Gollywobbler

    Very nice island hopper :)
     
  10. sabahcat
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    sabahcat Senior Member

    From that big Island called Africa
    To that other big Island called America
    A passage of some 6500nm :)
     
  11. Pierre R
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    Pierre R Senior Member

    Very nice island hopper. :p
     
  12. Steve W
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    Steve W Senior Member

    6500nm is a pretty good passage, must be a passagemaker.
     
  13. apex1

    apex1 Guest

    Concur!

    Passagemaking has nothing to do with the capability of sailing distances, it has to do with doing them in all conditions!

    But never will our biased retard grasp that.
     
  14. sabahcat
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    sabahcat Senior Member

    I would agree but our our biased forum retard will never grasp that.
     

  15. TeddyDiver
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    TeddyDiver Gollywobbler

    Eeerr... from SA to StHelens to Brasil to Caribean.. longest leg <2500nm, so like I said, a nice Island Hopper :D
    (and a 50' would be very nice)
     
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