Minimum Passagemaker/Cruiser

Discussion in 'Boat Design' started by mydauphin, Sep 29, 2010.

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What is minimum that you can handle?

Poll closed Oct 29, 2010.
  1. I can only live in a proper yacht

    2 vote(s)
    6.1%
  2. Need: Size between 40 and 50 feet

    8 vote(s)
    24.2%
  3. Need: Size between 30 and 40 feet

    15 vote(s)
    45.5%
  4. Need: Size smaller than 30 feet ok

    8 vote(s)
    24.2%
  5. Need: Power

    22 vote(s)
    66.7%
  6. Need: Sail

    19 vote(s)
    57.6%
  7. Need: Single Engine

    24 vote(s)
    72.7%
  8. Need: Twin Engine

    5 vote(s)
    15.2%
  9. Need: Head and holding tank

    26 vote(s)
    78.8%
  10. Need: Air conditioner and Generator

    7 vote(s)
    21.2%
  11. Need: Watermaker

    15 vote(s)
    45.5%
  12. I don't care if interior looks like my garage

    8 vote(s)
    24.2%
  13. Need: DC Power Only

    15 vote(s)
    45.5%
  14. Need: Carpeting

    4 vote(s)
    12.1%
  15. Need: Wood floors

    9 vote(s)
    27.3%
  16. Need: Satellite TV

    3 vote(s)
    9.1%
  17. Need: Internet

    13 vote(s)
    39.4%
  18. Need: Hot Water Shower

    18 vote(s)
    54.5%
  19. Need: Manual Bilge pumps

    17 vote(s)
    51.5%
  20. Need: Propane Stove

    16 vote(s)
    48.5%
  21. Need: Freezer

    12 vote(s)
    36.4%
  22. Need: A boat that won't shame me at the marina.

    12 vote(s)
    36.4%
  23. Need: Windlass

    18 vote(s)
    54.5%
  24. Need: Dingy

    26 vote(s)
    78.8%
Multiple votes are allowed.
  1. dskira

    dskira Previous Member

    I don't get it or you don't read it.
    We give and receive free advise all the time.
    Start checking before whining

    Daniel
     
  2. waynep
    Joined: Aug 2010
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    waynep Junior Member

    Sorry, left out the requirement for under 30ft OK: Coastal cruising 95% of the time. Very short Ocean Passages: 100-200 miles, with finest of weather.
     
  3. dskira

    dskira Previous Member

    So let me get it right:
    0% want a proper yacht.
    But 22% want carpeting
    Is that rather ridiculous or what.
    Where are we going here gentlemen.
    I understand why the boat show are full of over inflated white and chromes things with carpet.
    Yes the carpet, this forgotten factor.
    Without the carpet, our life on boat is done. No carpet. :D

    Carpet Daniel
     
  4. dskira

    dskira Previous Member

    I think you left out to read the thread. But it is OK, they can be long and boring, mostly when they are full of free advises. :p

    Daniel
     
  5. waynep
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    Location: United States

    waynep Junior Member

    Are you speaking for yourself or for everyone? Who is "We"?
     
  6. dskira

    dskira Previous Member

    You will know the answer after reading the different posts.

    But obviously you decided to stick with your statement. So my point is mute with you.

    Daniel
     
  7. apex1

    apex1 Guest

    May I ask if you know the meaning of 15% reserve?

    And why do you mix comments from two different threads? The comment about bunkering at sea had no relation to long trips. It is just fact, that we sometimes bunker from a barge, and not at a bunker station.

    Going from Sydney to LA is not common BTW. The longest common passage is Hawaii to US west coast.
     
  8. mydauphin
    Joined: Apr 2007
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    Location: Florida

    mydauphin Senior Member

    I believe the difference in the way sailboat and motorboat people think is interesting. Power boaters are limited by the fuel they carry. Sailboaters are used to living with less, especially power. Most people go for the Bling and WOT speed at the expense of real comfort and real performance at sea. Fuel economy and maintaining speed through various sea states should be what people should be really looking at.
     
  9. apex1

    apex1 Guest

    Which sort of nonsense is that? 100 miles Ocean passage? Are you sure you are on the right thread?

    And what was the whining about getting no advice good for? Where was it, the members held back their knowledge?
     
  10. mydauphin
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    mydauphin Senior Member

    I think what people are talking about in 100 miles of Ocean cruising is like going outside of Intercoastal like Miami to New York, where they stop every few hundred miles go inside and get fuel. In case of bad weather they kind of run to port until it blows over. That is the kind of cruising I plan to do myself. Actually crossing the ocean is best left to piggybacking on a freighter.
     
  11. WestVanHan
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    WestVanHan Not a Senior Member

    See blue




     
  12. apex1

    apex1 Guest

    No, in that case (the fuel cabinet was the issue) it just meant, not at the docks. Thats any distance from shore.

    And of course one does not need 6.500 nm range, but a true ocean cruiser has such range. On larger boats than the 22 - 25 meter we discuss on my threads, even longer range is desired. And for good reason, bunkering only where it is dirt cheap makes it worth to carry much of the fuel halfway around the world. More important, it gives you really freedom to cruise in remote regions without worries about fuel supply.
    The long legs on ocean passages are usually not planned to go for the extreme, one tops off to make the trip safer.

    Regards
    Richard
     
  13. Willallison
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    Willallison Senior Member

    I really think you need to lay down a bit more info before one could sensibly cast any votes... One man's passagemaker is another man's bath toy...;)
    How many people, how long aboard, how far are we travelling, how long away from civilisation, coastal or offshore.... you know, just the basics....
     
  14. mydauphin
    Joined: Apr 2007
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    mydauphin Senior Member

    So the question would be not What type of boat you want but what type of cruising you would do with it. Surprisingly correct and simple - sounds like a SOR. I wonder if anyone here has a questioner form for this here? Like a boiler plate template.
     

  15. Willallison
    Joined: Oct 2001
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    Willallison Senior Member

    I've seen a few template SOR's... some better than others. The problem is that peoples requirements are so varied that it's difficult - no, impossible - to cover all the bases, and one runs the risk of missing stuff out because its not on the list.
    There are basics, of course, that will be on most SOR's - the most fundamental, and often the most difficult to get a client to nail down, being budget.
    I prefer to start with a blank piece of paper myself.
     
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