Minimum Passagemaker/Cruiser

[dskira]

It's really unfortunate that a boat design forum could be limited because the primary thought in the back of one's mind is "I don't want to give away free advice". This way of thinking makes a strong forum a weaker one. As for me, size smaller than 30 feet OK, so long as I can show it may be done safely. How can I begin the process of proving the design is viable? By researching the tons of great information available on boat design and boat building, and the great advice from others who have been there and done that.

I don't get it or you don't read it.
We give and receive free advise all the time.
Start checking before whining

Daniel

 

[waynep]

Sorry, left out the requirement for under 30ft OK: Coastal cruising 95% of the time. Very short Ocean Passages: 100-200 miles, with finest of weather.

 

[dskira]

So let me get it right:
0% want a proper yacht.
But 22% want carpeting
Is that rather ridiculous or what.
Where are we going here gentlemen.
I understand why the boat show are full of over inflated white and chromes things with carpet.
Yes the carpet, this forgotten factor.
Without the carpet, our life on boat is done. No carpet.

Carpet Daniel

 

[dskira]

Sorry, left out the requirement for under 30ft OK: Coastal cruising 95% of the time. Very short Ocean Passages: 100-200 miles, with finest of weather.

I think you left out to read the thread. But it is OK, they can be long and boring, mostly when they are full of free advises.

Daniel

 

[waynep]

I don't get it or you don't read it.
We give and receive free advise all the time.
Start checking before whining

Daniel

Are you speaking for yourself or for everyone? Who is "We"?

 

[dskira]

Are you speaking for yourself or for everyone? Who is "We"?

You will know the answer after reading the different posts.

But obviously you decided to stick with your statement. So my point is mute with you.

Daniel

 

[apex1]

Curious about Richard's proposed boat....
....I quickly looked up a few nm ranges,these are straight shot runs: NO stopping for fuel,diversions for bad currents,avoiding lows:
Sydney to Los Angeles: 6500
Sydney to Honolulu:4400
Sydney to Hong Kong:5000
Honolulu to LA:2200.
LA to Panama:3200
NY to UK: 2800
Perth Aus to Capetown 4600
Capetown to Miami:4200
Vancouver to Japan: 4200
To make a straight run from Sydney to LA-@ 9.1 knots he wouldn't make it,and at 8.1 he'd be hoping there were no unfavourable currents or winds.
I guess that's why:
So if you have 4500 nm and have 15% reserve,with maybe a stop to top off if needed,it should be more than enough to do the common runs.

May I ask if you know the meaning of 15% reserve?

And why do you mix comments from two different threads? The comment about bunkering at sea had no relation to long trips. It is just fact, that we sometimes bunker from a barge, and not at a bunker station.

Going from Sydney to LA is not common BTW. The longest common passage is Hawaii to US west coast.

 

[mydauphin]

I believe the difference in the way sailboat and motorboat people think is interesting. Power boaters are limited by the fuel they carry. Sailboaters are used to living with less, especially power. Most people go for the Bling and WOT speed at the expense of real comfort and real performance at sea. Fuel economy and maintaining speed through various sea states should be what people should be really looking at.

 

[apex1]

Sorry, left out the requirement for under 30ft OK: Coastal cruising 95% of the time. Very short Ocean Passages: 100-200 miles, with finest of weather.

Which sort of nonsense is that? 100 miles Ocean passage? Are you sure you are on the right thread?

And what was the whining about getting no advice good for? Where was it, the members held back their knowledge?

 

[mydauphin]

I think what people are talking about in 100 miles of Ocean cruising is like going outside of Intercoastal like Miami to New York, where they stop every few hundred miles go inside and get fuel. In case of bad weather they kind of run to port until it blows over. That is the kind of cruising I plan to do myself. Actually crossing the ocean is best left to piggybacking on a freighter.

 

[WestVanHan]

See blue

May I ask if you know the meaning of 15% reserve?

Looking at my trading career,and certifications-I'd say so.

And why do you mix comments from two different threads? The comment about bunkering at sea had no relation to long trips. It is just fact, that we sometimes bunker from a barge, and not at a bunker station.

That's odd,I though "at sea" meant out of sight of land and not just 100meters out.

Going from Sydney to LA is not common BTW. The longest common passage is Hawaii to US west coast.

I've done that particular island hopping trip-the point is that 6500 mile range is not needed.

 

[apex1]

See blue
That's odd,I though "at sea" meant out of sight of land and not just 100meters out.

No, in that case (the fuel cabinet was the issue) it just meant, not at the docks. Thats any distance from shore.

And of course one does not need 6.500 nm range, but a true ocean cruiser has such range. On larger boats than the 22 - 25 meter we discuss on my threads, even longer range is desired. And for good reason, bunkering only where it is dirt cheap makes it worth to carry much of the fuel halfway around the world. More important, it gives you really freedom to cruise in remote regions without worries about fuel supply.
The long legs on ocean passages are usually not planned to go for the extreme, one tops off to make the trip safer.

Regards
Richard

 

[Willallison]

I really think you need to lay down a bit more info before one could sensibly cast any votes... One man's passagemaker is another man's bath toy...
How many people, how long aboard, how far are we travelling, how long away from civilisation, coastal or offshore.... you know, just the basics....

 

[mydauphin]

I really think you need to lay down a bit more info before one could sensibly cast any votes... One man's passagemaker is another man's bath toy...
How many people, how long aboard, how far are we travelling, how long away from civilisation, coastal or offshore.... you know, just the basics....

So the question would be not What type of boat you want but what type of cruising you would do with it. Surprisingly correct and simple - sounds like a SOR. I wonder if anyone here has a questioner form for this here? Like a boiler plate template.

 

[Willallison]

I've seen a few template SOR's... some better than others. The problem is that peoples requirements are so varied that it's difficult - no, impossible - to cover all the bases, and one runs the risk of missing stuff out because its not on the list.
There are basics, of course, that will be on most SOR's - the most fundamental, and often the most difficult to get a client to nail down, being budget.
I prefer to start with a blank piece of paper myself.