Minimum Passagemaker/Cruiser

Discussion in 'Boat Design' started by mydauphin, Sep 29, 2010.

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What is minimum that you can handle?

Poll closed Oct 29, 2010.
  1. I can only live in a proper yacht

    2 vote(s)
    6.1%
  2. Need: Size between 40 and 50 feet

    8 vote(s)
    24.2%
  3. Need: Size between 30 and 40 feet

    15 vote(s)
    45.5%
  4. Need: Size smaller than 30 feet ok

    8 vote(s)
    24.2%
  5. Need: Power

    22 vote(s)
    66.7%
  6. Need: Sail

    19 vote(s)
    57.6%
  7. Need: Single Engine

    24 vote(s)
    72.7%
  8. Need: Twin Engine

    5 vote(s)
    15.2%
  9. Need: Head and holding tank

    26 vote(s)
    78.8%
  10. Need: Air conditioner and Generator

    7 vote(s)
    21.2%
  11. Need: Watermaker

    15 vote(s)
    45.5%
  12. I don't care if interior looks like my garage

    8 vote(s)
    24.2%
  13. Need: DC Power Only

    15 vote(s)
    45.5%
  14. Need: Carpeting

    4 vote(s)
    12.1%
  15. Need: Wood floors

    9 vote(s)
    27.3%
  16. Need: Satellite TV

    3 vote(s)
    9.1%
  17. Need: Internet

    13 vote(s)
    39.4%
  18. Need: Hot Water Shower

    18 vote(s)
    54.5%
  19. Need: Manual Bilge pumps

    17 vote(s)
    51.5%
  20. Need: Propane Stove

    16 vote(s)
    48.5%
  21. Need: Freezer

    12 vote(s)
    36.4%
  22. Need: A boat that won't shame me at the marina.

    12 vote(s)
    36.4%
  23. Need: Windlass

    18 vote(s)
    54.5%
  24. Need: Dingy

    26 vote(s)
    78.8%
Multiple votes are allowed.
  1. TeddyDiver
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    TeddyDiver Gollywobbler

    You are talking about coastal cruiser or a weekend boat. And easier than yacht shipping is to fly and get a boat from Moorings :rolleyes: and that's not the point of this thread..
    BR Teddy
     
  2. michael pierzga
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    michael pierzga Senior Member

    A weekend boat with 1000 miles range ? You better do some additional research Teddy, yachts are not cargo ships and they are owned by real people. THIS IS THE POINT OF THIS THREAD. Teddy, Im sailing a yacht with 500 miles of fuel. We have several HUNDRED thousand miles under the keel and have sailed in many oceans. Im confident that Sabahcats boat could also do the same and it represents a very viable passagemaker.
     
  3. apex1

    apex1 Guest

    You see? Thats why we call you Layman!;)
     
  4. apex1

    apex1 Guest

    bless you,

    nose clear now?.........:D
     
  5. Pierre R
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    Pierre R Senior Member

    I guess I can agree with the large dinghy and possibly the non turboed engines.

    King size bed at sea?
    My additional crew for crossing on an air mattress?
    Large Refrigeration? Maybe but on a minimal passagemaker?
    Not much storage? Guess that is why I think monohull.

    Have you made a passage?
     
  6. TeddyDiver
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    TeddyDiver Gollywobbler

    No doubt about that.. and I'm not blaming you that marketing hype has confused the terms.. It's just a fact that an avarege yacht ain't a passagemaker or a cruiser. Instead it's only a yacht without adequate tankage or storage room and IMHO that's the biggest difference to a passage making one.. :)
     
  7. sabahcat
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    sabahcat Senior Member

    Thank you for your vote of confidence

    Yes, fantastic things when having arrived at destination
    And with an abundance of cushions/pillows against bulkheads, perfectly safe in a seaway + there is the narrow lounge that can be slept on next to internal helm if less comfort is your thing
    It's a predominately 2 person boat
    even if deciding to take on extras for a longer passage thay can manage fine with the bedding arrangements as they are for several days and air mattresses are surprisingly comfortable, weigh nothing, don't absorb water and are easily put away when not in use,
    I have delivered other vessels with less than that as in reality, there are always 1 if not 2 awake leaving 2 down sleeping.
    I call large about 300 of fridge and 100 of freezer
    Most yachts have about 1/3rd of that or less, so yes, large.
    Are you trying to tell me that you can afford the fuel bill to go on long passages, but not refrigeration?

    I de-clutter when I go on a vessel
    I dont need nor want shelves shelves and more shelves plus endless lockers to store "stuff"

    You'll have to be more specific.

    Certain posters on these threads dont seem to think 1000nm ocean passages count as passages.

    I do, so yes, I would say I have made a passage, on several different styles of vessel both mono and multi, both sail and powered.

    How about yourself?
     
  8. sabahcat
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    sabahcat Senior Member

    AAAhhhh, much better

    [​IMG]

    No more feeding the trolls.
     
  9. TeddyDiver
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    TeddyDiver Gollywobbler

    .
    That's called island hopping :D
    Nobody's denying anyone to do that, but that's the best some boats can do..
     
  10. Pierre R
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    Pierre R Senior Member

    Pretty tough to get that many sailing miles in a lifetime let alone not get spanked by the sea. Your posts show a clear lack of understanding the human-boat-weather-luck system called seaworthiness.

    There is a fairly clear delineation in these forums between those who have been spanked by the sea and those that have not. What those two groups see as important is clearly two schools of thought. When you are days from shore the sea does not have to spank very hard to really wake up the sensiblites. There doesn't seem to be a way to pass that knowledge on in forums. I guess you have to experience it yourself. To bad as the sea is a very torturous teacher.

    Trying to pass that information on is seen as negative, nanny, overbearing, dogmatic, expensive tastes and closed minded to those without that inate knowledge. I try to keep the name calling out of it but perhaps that will begin to wane by 6000 posts.
     
  11. sabahcat
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    sabahcat Senior Member

    Tomato
    Tomato

    You call it island hopping
    Others call it a passage
    I am in the latter group obviously and am fine with that.
    Especially if I can get out there and do it for several hundreds of thousand of dollars less than if I waited to buy a ship
     
  12. Pierre R
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    Pierre R Senior Member

    That's pretty funny but a little harsh. ;)
     
  13. michael pierzga
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    michael pierzga Senior Member

    Pierre...Im a yacht captain, for 40 years. All oceans. A lite year is 10,000 miles a heavy year 25,000 miles. We recently finished a five and a half month cruise. I consider these events to be passages. While on these passages I observe many people, on many different types of boats, with many different budgets and each with their own solution to passage making. . I suggest to you that you get back on topic and tell us your observations concerning your observations while at sea. .
     
  14. Pierre R
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    Pierre R Senior Member

    Yeah I would call 300 cubic feet of frig a lot. Refrigeration takes a lot of energy and is fine for a dock queen or a very comfortable passagemaker but we are talking minimal passagemaker here. That means achored out for long periods of time and budget means minimal energy usage most of the time, same as a snailboat.


    I guess 300 cubic feet of freezer space would hold all the food stuffs you need for an entire trip. Ha Ha, I assume you mean liters but?



    I think of a passage in terms of time instead of distance. I think of a passage as anything over 4 days. Yes I have made passages but I got trashed early on in my training and found that I am susseptible to fatigue. Fear, sickness and fatigue together is a real eye opener. I do not have hundreds of thousands of miles experience at sea. Sorry.
     

  15. apex1

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    We call ourselves Master, Mr. Pierzga, never Captain. Only landlubbers do that, go figure.....
    And after about the same time at sea as I have under the belt, sure somebody would have told you that it is a clear Faux Pas. No Dude, sorry, you never went to sea, that is obvious in every post, in every statement you dish out here, you are a liar.

    Being sure you doubt my expertise too, let me point to a comment made recently by one of our NA´s who went to sea under my command:
    http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/wo...ywood-carvel-planking-34539-3.html#post398091
    on a icecold and windy trip in a uncomfortable small, 50 years old boat with no navigational equipment at all. Just one chart, and me of course.
     
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