Mini 230--miniature race boat

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  1. Doug Lord
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    New Sydney Hobart division? :p
     
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    Looks nice, my personal sweetspot would be somewhere between this and an actual mini 650.

    Maybe mini 480
     
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    Just a knockoff of the Minuet. No plans, no self build - not going anywhere, either of them.

    The concept would work if you could release plywood/glass plans for around the world build.

    Small, cheap, stable, light one off mini racers like this have a lot of potential for bringing the sport to a wider variety of people.

     
  5. griffinb
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    I don't understand the appeal of the minuet. Keelboat sailing, but in a body position that resembles permanent hiking (at least for your neck).
     
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    There are offers in your sweetspot :
    *** Eric Henseval design :
    Inseparable 398 :
    Souriceau 475 :
    *** Vincent Lebailly Yacht Design. :
    Cartoon 400 :
    *** Micro racer 490 :
    Fipofix :
     
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    I'm liking the Matt Leydon Paradox. Small enough to fit anywhere, sheltered enough to cope with chop, and roomy enough to sleep in on the beach if you get caught away from home by weather, and it looks insect proof.
     
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    I've seen her at the exhibition. Nice boat, professionally made. Bigger and heavier than Minuet, though, so not as handy. Still can be carried by the sailor and stored in his basement :)

    I like the idea of the "personal, portable sailing boat" as a special class. I agree with rwatson, that
    I can imagine a box rule for such toys as DYI racing boats. Say, 8'x4'x2' length/width/draft, max weight 100lbs, without ballasting (heel angle at more unfavorable crew position may be restricted to, say, 10deg), positive stability at 90deg heel... and that's all.

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    They are, however, heavy keelboats. Ballast in International 2.4m weighs usually about 200kgs. Even if split into 8-16 parts (according to class rules), the boat is not very portable.
    Minuet/Mini230 is a different approach, which I find more attractive.

    regards

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    I think ballast has some advantages, but I would suggest water ballast, for transport benefits.

    200 kilos would be a tank around 2 x .75 x .2 m in dimension, not hard to incorporate. They could even have a couple of small removable lead bars to help.

    An ideal design would be one where you could either have minimal ballast, or a lot of ballast for the really infirm. One handicapped class has a solid lead centreboard that you has to be lowered in by a small crane.
     
  14. Neill Suitor
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    This little boat is my own design and plans are available in full details for all parts including the road trailer foils and rigging.
    She is similar to Minuet but was scaled down from the original Hunter Sonata & and is 7' 6" long by 3' wide. She has a bulb keel weighing 27Kgs.
    I am 5'10"tall and weight 16 stone and can sail her comfortably.
    Build is strip cedar and easy for an amateur. Drawings of the strong back and all templates for parts are available.

    With spinnaker up we have had over 5 mph and upwind she will do 3.5mph



    She now has a backstay and much tighter jib luff as a result which has improved upwind performance a bit more.
     

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    Neil, thanks for the info! I think she's a great little boat.......I particularly like the available spinnaker.
     
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