Micro liveabord cruiser

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  1. trip the light fandango
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    I can really relate to that..
    There is an amazing 60ft 70s steel cat that "walked", the first walking micro cruiser would be pretty classic, I can't remember which forum it was sorry, it was an old video recently put on either here or Sailing Anarchy I think.[brain is ticking] the same post mentioned how old paddle wheelers could drive over sandbanks, then your wheels leeboards become propellers and clunky wheels .. ha .(brain stopped ..phew that was a lot). I would like to see the utube .. cheers ..edit note ,I think I prefer the lee boards as legs, the water wheels are too amusement park,maybe, hmm..
     
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    "Elusion" is easier on the eye but it doesn't have quite the challenging look and raw grab at function forcing form that the sawn off pram micro's have for mine .
    I can envisage a way to make the leeboards able to work the boat out of the water, the drill and a pair of small rams. I would love to see one emerge out of a swamp, creeping along like some ancient hard shell critter/beastie, not scary unless there was alot of them..
    The whimsy versus practical function, they are at the forefront in understanding comfort and cabin space and multi purpose uses, economically. Eventually I'll set up hydronic heating on my tri, I think it is worth it for helping to stay calm and alert.
    Having said that a huge part of this sailing experience is coping with really cold conditions and getting out amongst it, the shock/exhilaration helps us deal with stress well and improves our ability to cope with surprises, even on land.
    The claustrophobia combated by the ability to venture into wilderness or city , to choose the view from your well equipped comfortable space,..there's a person in that?
    They are remarkable for good reasons.
     
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  3. Silvertooth
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    Interesting idea using leeboards as legs, how could that work? Could it still be amphibious?
     
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    Can you post a pic of ‘Elusion’
     
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  6. trip the light fandango
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    The simplest way would be to have a fold out foot that is part of the leeboard, if the leeboards are mounted on an axle ,ideally the axle/pedal mechanism is removable, and if the overall shape of the leeboards are like a cam, teardrop shaped then a revolution of the leeboards should gently lift and shift forward the craft with each cycle..
    The cruiser would lift up as the cam /leeboards begin to take the load and be supported at the stern by either the rudder or the where the stern meets the bottom ply ,so some reinforcement/bash plate or extra paint will be need as this area will be getting more wear. The turtle action would be interesting but it may be more complicated to build .
    My boat would fit right in with that collection of craft Manfred .pech was kind enough to unearth, a bit big but with the same or less actual cabin space than a few, so many of the same issues, including getting out of the water but it isn't as cold so hopping out and winching with rollers is the go..with whole new set of risk issues just by not being onboard. regards
     
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  7. Silvertooth
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    I have always wondered about the keel for micro cruisers

    Why not have. Drop keel or dagger birds in the middle?
     
  8. trip the light fandango
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    The case to hold a dagger board needs space and like a keel case careful engineering . But a stout pair of oars the right length with reinforced rowlocks you may be able to turtle your way out of the water, like you were to lay eggs..if being a turtle. Then leeboards start to look clumsy and a drop keel could be tidier. The case has to be able to be inspected , preferably with enough above the water line to avoid filling the boat, but the cabin space,.. The possibilities go on.
     
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  9. Silvertooth
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    These pocket cruisers often hve small detachable wheels, these won't take up too much space.

    I just don't like the look of these micro cruisers without some sort of either Lee boards or dagger board
     
  10. Silvertooth
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    Just doesn't seem seaworthy without a drop keel of some kind.

    Surely it wouldn't sail well and far too easy to capsize.

    I remember boats like this would capsize all the time.

    Why not have a dagger board and a sealed cololm mid ships. It would add strength and rigidity.

    Yes it would take up space and to lay down you would have to have one leg either side, but small price to pay for a far better boat.
     

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    very interesting man is building a 10' micro cruiser to sail around the world in the Southern Hemisphere.

    http://bills-log.blogspot.com/2011/1...lobal.html?m=1

    This would once and for all time end the flat earth debate. The nautical miles in the flat earth model would be literally hundreds of thousands of miles more.


    "Sven Yrvind has announced that he intends designing and building a 10’ micro yacht for making a single-handed voyage south of all three great capes, i.e., Cape Agulhas, Cape Leeuwin and Cape Horn. In so doing he would also sail south of the Cape of Good Hope, South West Cape of Tasmania, and the South East Cape of Tasmania."
     
  12. JamesG123
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    But yet they are perfectly stable and sail very well. The trick is in the semi aerofoil shape of the strakes and the CoG loading.


    How do you "remember" this?

    Not really. Mostly it just adds weight and takes/breaks up interior volume. You don't have the available space for it in as small a boat as you are contemplating. I still like your idea of the round disk leeboard wheels.
     
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  13. Silvertooth
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    Ok my experience is in home made kayaks, different I know. But I can’t see how these pocket cruisers would not capsize?

    Any links I can read about gog loading and aero foil
     
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    Just go read up on the Enigma. Basically the strakes act as bilge keels and provide a hydrofoil like righting movement.
     
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