Micro Cruising Multihulls

Discussion in 'Multihulls' started by Skint For Life, Jul 31, 2011.

  1. DarthCluin
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    The Buccaneer 24 is a nice boat, but assuming an 1100 to 1200 lb. build weight, its about a third more boat than the 900 lb. Acorn 21. It was never really a fair comparison.
     
  2. peterchech
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    I am comparing carrying capacity. Acorn has 700# according to the designer, and buc 24 about 800# assuming a 1200# build weight (some have built it lighter but I don't have a great track record with that). So 1/3 more materials = 1/3 more cost = 1/3 more building time, all for a gain in 100# carrying capacity. I dont really have that luxury right now...
     
  3. Skint For Life
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    I know they're monos yuk :p but this guy seems to have some interesting ideas and plenty of offshore experience: http://www.microcruising.com/pictures.htm

    One idea he uses that I was considering for a cabin cat is that he doesn't have a cockpit, all lines run inside the cabin so the boat can be sailed, reefed etc. from the nice dry cabin in really rough weather. It seems logical to me, just not as pretty as a conventional boat layout.

    rayaldridge. Thanks for that info, I have seen that boat before. I had considered that offset hull form too, for the same reason, I just didn't know the name for it :) Unfortunately the boat has no bridgedeck cabin.

    TO ALL: I really am looking at a micro cruiser for learning sailing, lakes, then coastal. Therefore a small boat is not a problem, I'd like to look at fixed beam trailerable only designs. I'm also only really interested in cabin boats like miss cindy, jarcat5, gato etc.

    Steve W. Thanks steve. I'm a little aprehensive about contacting someone like that direct as I'm a complete amateur. Regarding mast head floats, It seems like a logical way to stop a boat inverting, my concern is when the boat capsizes the forces on the mast and structure must be much higher with a mast head float.

    redreuben. Thanks for the link, I had already found it. I'd like to see more pictures. It's slightly outside the 2:1 length to beam ratio, but so are some others I have mentioned to try and show a boat type. Regarding tri vs cat volume, what you say sounds about right if your talking about an open deck cat. I'm interested in full bridgedeck cabin boats like miss cindy, I think that thing has an amazing amount of space for the overall boat size, I mean a standard double bed!

    peterchech. It's about time I admitted I like cats, I'm not as much of a fan of tris..... I've owned and sailed a cat. I have never sailed a tri :( I like the stability of a cat, the way it doesn't heel much at all. It seems very sure footed.

    I understand your view point on trailering and folding. This is supposed to be a pocket cruiser, and simplicity, volume for length, easy trailerability seems to point towards a small cat. Thanks for the info on stepping the mast :) In your second to last line you mention giving up a bridgedeck if folding a cat, that is my thinking too, If I had to choose between two bigger individual hulls and no bridgedeck cabin in a folding setup or a little boat like miss cindy I think for a pocket cruiser I'd go miss cindy. This boat would be for learning, I don't need or want to make a big boat just yet, experience first. I can't wait to have my hobie 14 turbo trailer fixed :) I haven't even managed to get it in the water yet.

    rayaldridge post #14. Thanks for all of that, my thinking is along very similar lines :)

    DarthCluin. Thanks for posting that up, a funky idea and I have seen it before, it doesn't have a bridgedeck cabin though, how am I supposed to sell that to the missus ;) now you sleep over there in that other hull honey :p The buc 24 is a folder, which for a first build I'd like to avoid.

    peterchech post #17. Acorn, doesn't have a bridgedeck cabin.

    Thanks to all for there posts and experience so far :):):)
     
  4. redreuben
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    redreuben redreuben

    Ok, mist is clearing now how bout, http://www.wallerdesign.com.au/tc670.html
    Has all you require and more !

    Menu bar at top of page has photos, construction and finished, sensibly priced plans and quality respected designer.
    Problem solved !
    RR
     
  5. Skint For Life
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    redreuben. Thanks for adding that to the thread, I've seen that one before too. The trouble is it's not even close to the 2:1 length to beam ratio. For safety's sake I'd like the boat to be as close as possible to 5 meters long and 2.5 meters wide. Maybe something like miss cindy with rounder hulls and a center board/ lee boards/ dagger boards. Cheers :)
     
  6. Corley
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    Corley epoxy coated

    The Bucc24 is not actually a folder its demountable with water stays.
     
  7. Skint For Life
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    Corley. Thanks for that. Folder or demountable, I want to avoid that for now.
     
  8. Alex.A
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    Something like this? Converted Red Baron - so unfortunately not a production boat.....
    2.4m by 6m.
     

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  9. Skint For Life
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    Alex.A. Thanks for that. The overall design looks like the kind of thing I'm thinking of, but the lenght is well over twice the beam. Cheers :)
     
  10. rayaldridge
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    Skint, if you have to have a bridgedeck cabin cat, and a cat that can be trailed, you're going to be limited in your choices. If that was the situation I found myself in, I might look into Richard Woods' smaller folders. There is little or no accommodation in the hulls, but they do have a central cabin. The boat folds by tucking the hulls up under the center deck.

    Here's Wizard:

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    http://www.sailingcatamarans.com/wiz.htm

    There's a very clever use of a drop floor to get comfortable seating at anchor.
     
  11. rayaldridge
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    Maybe I shouldn't do this, but here's a boat that might do it for you, though it now has way too much beam to be trailed .

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    This is actually a Slider, built and heavily modified by a builder in Malta. It isn't the first major mod he's completed. He had individual cabins on the hulls at one point. He's a clever and energetic guy.
     
  12. oldsailor7
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    Just a comment.

    I have just shipped my 38th set of Bucaneer 24 plans, so they can't be all that bad. ;)
     
  13. Skint For Life
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    oldsailor7. I didn't mean to offend. I meant I want to avoid any design that is a folder or demountable. Not any specific boat. I'm sorry I didn't word my response very well. Cheers :)
     
  14. oldsailor7
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    Thats OK SKF. You didn't offend. :D OS7.
     

  15. oldsailor7
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    RAy, that is a very nice looking Cat. Does it have a foot well for more headroom in the cabin ?
     
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