MH370 (cont.)

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  1. Angélique
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    The matter at hand doesn't look that rational to me, since the rational thing would be to go alone when someone wants to part from the rest of the world. Maybe the bad genius wanted them all to suffer as much is possible, all what's said about the ending is speculation, till the wreck is found. So since this doesn't look like a rational case till the end to me, I'm afraid attributing rationality to the culprit all the way isn't intrinsically a helpful source to find the MH370 wreck.
     
  2. fallguy
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    This article says lots about the impact.

    Why the 60 Minutes TV programme was wrong http://www.duncansteel.com/archives/2786

    But wouldn’t a debris field be easier to find if the pieces were large enough? It seems to me, the ocean current would have made a debris field miles long and when they search they could make 5 mile adjustments at a time and still see junk on the ocean floor if they can see rather small stuff. Or, conversely, the parts being rather small could be overlooked.
     
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    It took over 73 years (Apr. 1912 - Sept. 1985) to find the wreckage of the RMS Titanic. There's much more tech available now, but to find the MH370 looks also like a much more difficult task to me, since the search area is much bigger, and the wreckage parts are certainly much smaller, and possibly scattered over a whole ocean by now, which already has a lot of other wreckage and junk stored, which will distort the found data and delay its processing. Not to mention all the time needed to investigate whatever wreckage and junk they spot on the ocean floor, before they can exclude or confirm that it's from the MH370.

    So maybe this (new?) Houston company Ocean Infinity will find the wreckage of the MH370 and/or its flight recorders within 3 months from now to collect the fee. And maybe it will take some next generation of humans to find the wreckage, maybe by some kind of other accident's investigation. Since the team that eventually found the Titanic also had as main assignment to search for the two missing nuclear powered submarines of the United States Navy, the USS Thresher and the USS Scorpion, which both were also found during this mission.
     
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  4. ImaginaryNumber
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    I am assuming that one or more members of the flight crew planned and executed whatever happened to MH370. I also assume that their own death was secondary to whatever their primary goal was. Given those two assumptions I think a rational person would try to minimize their own discomfort when about to die. If the flight crew were in control of the airplane when it ran out of fuel I suspect they would have preferred a violent impact to a smooth landing.

    Since Ocean Infinity is fronting the money for this no-find-no-fee effort, it seems reasonable to assume that they are quite confidant that they will find MH370 within the allotted three-month window.
     
  5. Angélique
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    Some info from Ocean Infinity, the first three pics here below Belgium appear alternately at the top of the first below linked page.

    When the third pic below Belgium appears there, then it contains the following text . . . (quote as taken only just before the send time of this posting) . . .

    ‘‘ 32,787 Km² - (12,659 miles²) - SURVEYED - TO - DATE - That's a little larger than Belgium. ’’

    Belgium covers 30,528 Km² (11,787 miles²), which is about the same size as Florida with 31,424 Km² (12,133 miles²) and Wisconsin with 29,367 Km² (11,339 miles²), and just about 1/8 aka 12 ½ % aka 0.125 of Alaska with 245,384 Km² (94,743 miles²).
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    I'll tell you, that's almost nothing compared to the surface of even the smallest Ocean, so if that's all they have done till to date, then that's not much compared to what they're gonna do now, at the last link...


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    Without more debris, there's nothing but the assumption and speculation of folks not as well versed in investigation efforts. Though not that common in modern times, still not unusual, particularly if you go back some. No new debris found since mid 2016 and likely not much more to be found, so without much new to look at, very unlikely we'll ever find out what happened. The flap indicates it wasn't deployed, suggesting it augered in. Intentional or not, we'll never know.
     
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    The latter incidentally could provide some nice by catches, as results of serendipity, if they also further investigate those non MH370 related finds, which would take extra time and money.

    And there could be the main reason for this new MH370 search and it's financial setup, since no one, except for some of the researchers and the financiers, actually know what else they're looking for.

    Just like in the successful 1985 RMS Titanic search, which at the outset was a US Navy cover up operation to find the USS Thresher and the USS Scorpion in the first place.

    The hidden main assignment in this new MH370 search effort could be looking for natural resources, or what ever that could be out there . . . o_O
     
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    I wish my foster dad was still around. He was, for many years, one of the top Quality Assurance people at Boeing, and for his last five or so years there, flew all over the world investigating incidents involving Boeing aircraft. He would have surely been involved in this one because he worked out of the plant where it was built. I would really like to be able to pick his brain on this one.

    I still like my wife's idea that this plane is sitting out in the desert somewhere, even though the evidence doesn't support it. Someday someone will stumble on it, just as they did with the Titanic, while looking for something else. Then we might get some answers. But until then, it's all speculation.
     
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    Not one satellite picture of debris?
     
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    Interestingly enough, satellite coverage isn't complete, nor comprehensive over essentially vacant portions (oceans) of the world. Near shores and major metropolitan areas, yep but why have coverage, after several hundred miles of wet has passed between.
     
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    I did some google research (sorry) and there indeed were satellite pictures, but those pictures were analyzed in an area well south of the now perceived area. And the problem with some of the pictures is they are on 30 minute intervals. So, the sea state can change and any surface disturbance or flotsam/jepsom cannot absolutely be seen by a simple differential analysis; And, if there were a military coverup, many of the satellites are owned by the military. I don't live for a conspiracy theory, but the US probably would not want to deal with the political fallout of accidently killing over 100 Chinese folks. My brother is an expert at mapping and pictures; if anyone could take satellite photography and look for a debris field; he would be capable. But part of me thinks there hasn't been enough effort at the satellite angle. Lots of stuff would have been floating after that impact. Maybe we didn't have a photo trail; maybe there was on and it became top secret. All my curiousity mostly. I got to learn about the vela incident-neat stuff.

    I think if the captain wanted to make the Malay government look foolish; he has succeeded. Has this plane disappeared off the US; it would have been found.
     
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    I wouldn't buy into a military mishap. In fact, if there was debris, even from some sort of mishap, the US military would have released the images anyway, even if it was an internal issue. Just too much at stake for they to have covered it up for political cover. They know it always comes out, so they usually just release it and let the chips fall. They have plenty of subordinates to fall on swords, just in case. If she augered in which I suspect, the debris field would have been small and not likely to remain long.
     
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    The best theories I read are high speed impact. There might have been lotsa bits. Still seems like a 30 minute interval picture analysis, if available, would be the best way. Between the crash time and the next hour; the surface would magically develop junk not in previous pictures. So simple; must not be available.

    Or when they find her, there will be an oh yeah.

    Could be resolution problems, too.
     
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    I don't think you realize how deep an aircraft at 600 - 700 MPH dives below the water, when it augers in. At this depth, the very crunched up bits are at least exposed to a few additional atmospheres, which forces itself into every nook and cranny, dramatically decreasing any hope they'll refloat. Additionally, the shear violence of the impact tends to compact the debris into a tangled, saturated mess, further preventing things for coming back up. Yeah, they're be debris, but not nearly as much and it will not be around for long.
     

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    The weather was clear and it happened in daylight, so despite the facts you state; there still seems like a likelihood that a computer analysis of the pictures at high resolution might show a delta from before the crash to the hours after. The Austrailian government did this for some sat photos at 35 degrees, but now all conventional wisdom is that it went in much sooner, so not sure why it hasn't been redone is all. Just a curiousity...not trying to be a smarty pants. I don't know if pictures exist.
     
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