Looking for plans for this boat

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  1. Dirk6001
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    Hi,

    I am looking for the plan for this boat which my grandfather had bulit in the sixties.
    Does anybody recognise the model and know if there might be a plan available for it ?

    Thank you,
    Dirk

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  2. messabout
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    Looks every bit like one of the many many boats whose plans were published in magazines such as "How to Build 20 Boats" or occasional plans in Popular Mechanix magazine.

    Finding the plan set would be a real Easter egg hunt but might be possible. The picture looks like it might have been in 1950s or possibly the 60s. The boat appears to be a little hot rod that managed to do its' thing with small horsepower like that little Johnson clamped to the transom.

    If you want to duplicate the boat...don't. There are plenty of plans for a similar boat that are much more modern and a better all around build. But if you must, I know about, and sympathize with, the nostalgia factor.
     
  3. Dirk6001
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    Looking for plan

    Thanks for your anwer and advice, but like you mentioned, it's pure nostalgia.
    Hope to find one.

    Dirk
     
  4. jehardiman
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    Looks like a Cocktail class. Wooden Boat had an article on them in the last few years.

    Edit to add from a quick Google...
     
  5. Angélique
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    Angélique aka Angel (only by name)

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    Thanks to the above info [​IMG]

    - Plans for sale 1: The 143 page step-by-step building manual US $ 15.00, here for free ---> [​IMG] Cocktail Class Racer Manual PDF



    - Plans for sale 2

    - Prop Talk ---> Powerboat Racing ---> Cocktail Class

    - August 9, 2016: The Bluefelds: A Family Legacy of Cocktail Class Racing

    - Published on Oct 12, 2011: PropTalk Magazine November 2011 - | - Page 70 + 71 - Page 72 + 73 - | - JPGs 1159 x 1500 Pixels: Page 70 - Page 71 - Page 72
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  6. Dirk6001
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    Looking for plans

    Thank you Angelique,
    Looks like great fun. Might order the plans, but would still
    like to find the one my grandfather build.

    Thank you all for trying to help. As a small kid I remember him building it,
    and might end up trying to find someone who can draw up theplans using the picture.

    Thanks
    Dirk
     
  7. TANSL
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    Dirk, what information do you have that can serve as the basis for drawing the plans?
     
  8. Dirk6001
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    Just the picture I'm sorry to say.
     
  9. Angélique
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    Angélique aka Angel (only by name)

    Hi Dirk,

    In what country did your grandfather live when he built the boat ?

    And any idea from what country he got the plans from ?

    And also any idea of the language the plans were written in ?

    Maybe this kind of info will give a cue . . . . :idea:

    BTW, do you speak Dutch ? - (not for communication here, I'm just curious :))
     
  10. PAR
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    I had some fun with these as a kid, but they're not that fun if you're older. You have to climb out on the foredeck to balance them and they'll beat your dental work right out of your mouth, if overpowered or over driven.

    There are much better examples of this type of boat, much better suited for bigger motors and rougher condisions. These boats do go well in glass smooth water, but not so much in anything less than these condisions.

    Attached is a much more refined version os these old hydro's. It can seat two adults, is much more comfortable in a chop, steers and handles better, etc. This boat will plane off and scoot in the high teens (MPH) with two well fed fellows aboard, on a 10 HP engine. With a 20 HP outboard she'll run up into the 25 - 26 MPH range and she'll get down right scary with a 30 HP engine, making over 31 MPH with the same fat guys aboard. Decrease the crew weight to 180 lbs. each and speeds will jump to 35 MPH with 30 HP, 28 MPH with a 20 and 21 MPH on a 10 HP outboard. Expect the same speed improvements if you run her solo. With 40 HP engine, you'll get into the holy grail speed ranges, where you don't want a St. Pete's medal around your neck, but the man himself in there with you, to help steer.

    Lastly, these old class hydro's had a nasty habit of tripping in hard turns, which at the high teens, low 20's speeds isn't fun, but is survivable. Tripping one of these over powered and the speeds can get dangerous enough to literally break a neck or back.

    [​IMG]

    Consider the XP8 from Glen-L as another example of these puppies. Plans are cheap and balance is a little better than their forbearers.
     

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    Welcome to the forum, Dirk6001. As did Angel, I found several sources when I googled Popular Mechanix boat plans.

    P.S. When I was young I enjoyed very much listening to Radio Nederland broadcasting from Bonaire. I have since learned the broadcasts were discontinued.
    Specifically I listened to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happy_Station_Show
     
  12. Angélique
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    Angélique aka Angel (only by name)

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    Svenson's has a lot of boat plans from old magazines online, but alas I didn't see Grandpa's among the outboard powered boats there . . :(
     
  13. PAR
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    PAR Yacht Designer/Builder

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    This is the A - B class racer from Glen-L and has a similar look to the one you like. The photo you have shows so little about her shape, it'll be difficult to get an exact match, though most of these class racers were similarly shaped on the bottom, with owner modified sides and deck.
     
  14. Dirk6001
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    He lived in Curacao Dutch Caribbean. Dutch island between Aruba and Bonaire. I remember he had a lot of boatbuilding books in english and I would guess the plans were also in english. He also had built a few local type fishing boats from scratch, no plans. Just made a rectangular frame outside in the yard and started with the keel. As an 18 year old he became a cook on a cargo ship sailing between New York, Puerto Rico and Curacao. He just loved the sea. Wish my mom and her sisters had kept his books and tools etc. I was in the Dutch army when he passed and when i came back i got his watch he had left for me, an 1960 Omega "seamaster" still have that one. He is wearing it in the picture. Yes, Angelique we speak dutch, its the official language. I am very surprised and happy with all the replies. Thank you very much!
     

  15. Angélique
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    Angélique aka Angel (only by name)

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    If the boat can't be identified, which is well posible in the case Grandpa has made modifications in the sides and deck, then the best look alike available plans might be more feasible to build a boat from than having new plans drawn up from the picture that shows so little about her shape.

    From the best look alike plans available you could modify the sides and deck to make it a even better match with Grandpa's boat.

    PAR already posted some look alikes from Glen-L, maybe you would like to compare them all there to Grandpa's pictured boat ?

     
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