Looking for modern and tradional design

Hello,
I am thinking about building a traditionally built plank on frame sailboat with a modern planing design, somewhere about 22 feet with a small cuddy for gear. I am visulizing tanbark sails with bronze and varnish.
Does anyone have thoughts on a design?
Thanks
Luke

 

Hi Luke,

What are your sailing goals with the boat (day sailing, weekending, cruising, racing)?
How is it going to be used and stored (on and off a trailer, kept at a slip or mooring)?
Do you have experience in boatbuilding or other long-term projects?

Edit: here is another place to look/post: Designs / Plans - The WoodenBoat Forum https://forum.woodenboat.com/forum/designs-plans

 

Hello, I have been working in sailing speed shops fairing boats and Keels, rigging and also racing fast boats like farr 30's at national and international levels. I also have experience in traditional vessels working in and around Lunenburg Nova Scotia.
It has been a dream of mine for a long time to traditionally build a go-fast boat. There is a local regatta here in tradional boats and I would love to push the envelope a bit.

 

Classic Mariner’s Regatta https://ptsail.org/classic-mariners-regatta-main/

 

Fixed ballast or centerboard? The fundamental problem is that caulked carvel is heavy, so you must go to tight seam, batten seam or double planking of maximum 1/2 inch (12mm) thickness to lighten the boat. Not many people left willing to do that.
The australian 18ft open boat would be a possibility, it's reported to plane in the right conditions. Definetly an inspiration for the rig. About https://www.openboat.com.au/about.html

 

Maybe the 12-square-metre class, from the 56 Olympics, or Australian Heavyweight Sharpie. It was a 'go fast' in the 1950's. No cabins. Wouldn't look right with tanbark sails though. You might want a racer fishing boat from 100 years ago for tanbark sails to look right; and 'speed'; maybe a lug sail two master, Coble, or cutter. Or would carbon sails be dark enough?

 

A couple of gaff rigged race boats that would look right with tan bark sails and bronze hardware are the sandbaggers and the Sonder class sailboats.

 

Looking for something 22-24 like the LA 28

LA 28: The modern trailable boat that’s cold-molded from mahogany https://www.yachtingworld.com/extraordinary-boats/la-28-modern-trailable-boat-cold-molded-mahogany-123493

 

Are you going to build to a proven design plan or is this a one-off design project?

What does that mean?

 

You won't find a stock plan for something like that. You have only two options:
1. Find a designer willing to do a custom design working with the Herreshoff rule or similar turn of the century light weight timber rule.
2. Do the work yourself by starting from the lines of a known good performer (an older Mini 6.50 for example) and adapt it to a lightweight timber rule.

 

Segelyacht LA 28 - LA Yacht- & Bootsbau GmbH https://www.la-yacht.de/en/sailing-yachts/sailing-yacht-la-28/

Lots of pics on their website.

 

I would assume all classic racing won't allow hiking or kicking out, and may not allow sitting on the side decks. So planning probably isn't in the picture. I assume the boats will be handicapped using a classic scheme also - not IRC or ORC or PY, but Herreshoff, Seawanhaka, meter rule, or square meter rule. So you are looking at a 24'er with a 15' waterline that weighs 2800 pounds in Herrishoff trim, or a diminutive square meter boat at half that displacement. The fin keel came along about 1900 and fits with the Herreshoff and square meter rules. Fin and spade rudder boats are usually classed differently from keel hung rudder classes. If synthetic sails and aluminum or composite spars are allowed, you can trim some weight off them. So you need to figure out the rating rule and class makeup of the regatta.

One that comes to mind is the 15 square meter class.

Another is the Herreshoff 15

And a third, the Tofinou 8 (there's also a Tofinou 7)

 

I believe plans for the cold moulded Uffa Fox 24ft can still be had. That would plane. It would be a real achievement to build one.
Fairey Fox

Keelboat Designs



Friends owned both an Atalanta 26 and 31, both well ahead of their time.

 

UFFA FOX FLYING 25 - BTFD3583131 - BOATTRADER

 

The Swiss sailboat Esse 750 is a modern design, fast and can go planing, but in carbon. In case a strip planking version of same weight could be envisaged ?
Esse 750: Your Perfect Partner for Regattas | Esseboats https://www.esseboats.ch/en/sailboats/esse-750