Lion 800 new plywood yacht

Discussion in 'Boat Design' started by Unik, Jul 22, 2016.

  1. RHP
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    I had a Beneteau First Class 8 with a lifting keel (centreboard) on a turn/screw mechanism that was simplicity itself to use, well worth the extra cost compared to a dagger board.

    Ref twin lifting keels, look no further than the Atalanta 26 but in the 50's and 60's.
    Again worked very well and is an alternative to bilge keels.
     
  2. Angélique
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    1. - Why is that . . :?:​
    2. - Who is ‘‘we’’ . . :?:​

    3. - And why are you speaking for them . . :?:​

    4. - And why are you allowed to do this suggestion to them . . :?:​
     
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    OK, Angélique, I note that my comments, in your opinion, are not timely.
    I think it's interesting to know why that boat is easier to build than other similar boats (I guess this is very important for future buyers). I have a somewhat strange mentality and, in addition to admiring very beautiful renderings, I like to know that a design is suitable for the purpose that it intends to fulfill. I have not seen any proof that the scantlings are adequate, nor can you know if stability Is sufficient, etc. I personally do not know if that can be considered as the project of a boat or if it is simply a decorative object, with a boat-like appearance. I think that some possible client, thinking about buying it, would like to know some more technical information about that object. It's just my opinion, as valid, I hope, as yours.
     
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    TANSL, I guess with a friend like you around here, nobody needs an enemy anymore . . :eek:
     
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    I was asking you 4 questions about some of your comments, like you do all the time, and I note that you have circumvented my questions in the given answer, which wasn't an answer to my questions at all . . :idea:

    And what you attribute to my opinion is not what I've said and/or meant. It's a wrong suggestion you give here about my questions, and so it's the technique of an polemicist to attribute words and opinions to others they have not said nor even meant, and so you try to drag them into a polemic fight. :eek:
     
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    That means overvaluing me. Thanks, but I do not deserve it.
    But tell me, what is wrong with asking to be shown the technical basis that underlies a project?
     
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    I didn't said nor ask anything about that, I've just asked you 4 questions about what I quoted there, check post #92 . . :idea:

    And I still have to note that you have circumvented my 4 questions in the given answer, which wasn't an answer to my questions at all, only some ballyhoo link . link insofar as it concerned what I asked you . . :eek:

    Your false suggestion in the quoted question here just proves the truth of my previous post, you're so predictable . . :rolleyes:

     
  8. TANSL
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    OK, Angélique, answering your questions I have to admit that at some point I have been wrong. My impression is that Ulik cares almost nothing of the suggestions that various mmembers of the forum have done. That is why I say that, I believe, "no suggestions are allowed here". I should have said "I do not think the suggestions are allowed here". Serious mistake, I admit, on my part.
    When I say "we" I should have said "I". Another mistake of mine.
    No one needs to allow me to comment or assume a certain role. Your error. Another very different thing is that my comments are relevant or not.
    Happy?. I think I have already fulfilled what you asked me to do.
    But after this useless argument, provoked by me, could you help me find out if Unik is trying to sell a real boat or if it is simply a decorative object (very nice, by the way) and why it can be said that its construction is simpler than that of other similar designs.
     
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    Nowhere did I do so, your false suggestion here just proves the truth of my below quoted post again . . . :idea:

     
  10. TANSL
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    I think I have some problem understanding you because, in my opinion, I answered the questions in your post # 92 (except number 4) and, as far as I know, I have never said that you said something that you have not said or tried to distort your comments.
    And why not?. I find this question so out of place that I had avoided answering it.
    But, my friend, does it seems correct for you if we end our stupid conversation. I, for my part, am not going to answer you more about this interesting matter.
     
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    The question #4 in post #92 was raised because the quote of you above it didn't seem to be in accordance with your own statement to others in the first quote of you in the same post #92 . . :idea:
     
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    I've named those things in post #95 last paragraph, and in the first line of both responses in the posts #97 & #99 . . :idea:
     
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    You my friend can leave this conversation when ever you want, I will however address some of the matters you've raised here.
     
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    The boat has a minimum number of parts cut in pure size, which are set in the mutual grooves and ridges is used for the connection tape of fiberglass impregnated with epoxy adhesive. For the construction of the boat is used technology Stich and glue. this allows you to quickly and efficiently build a boat with little experience and hand tools.
     

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    Colleague TANSL, I ask you again to read post # 61 of this topic there is a list of ISO standards on which I rely in the design, I think that if you look at some of these documents you will find answers to your questions
     
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