Life is too short to fair above the waterline

Discussion in 'Multihulls' started by Lachie, Mar 19, 2021.

  1. Owly
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    One benefit of looking "shabby" or sustainably shabby is not being a "target" for thieves.
     
  2. aussiebushman
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    Nice idea Owly but in my painful experience, the ******** will strip anything they can find to pay for their next fix. My trimaran was stripped before being torched
     
  3. Will Gilmore
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    That worked for my bicycle when I was a kid, but most of those types of crimes are crimes of opportunity. Which boat looks easier to rob, the shabby neglected one that might have something to hock on board or the pristine $500,000 yacht sporting a "This vessel is protected by..." sticker on the window? Certainly there's more likely to be higher rewards on the latter, but more effort and more danger too.

    -Will
     
  4. Owly
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    There could be a whole thread on the various ways people have found to thwart thieves. My favorite deterrent for "undesirables" is electricity. Extremely high powered electric fencers exist that run on very little wattage, and in many cases are built with onboard solar. Some of the Aussie fencers long range are so vicious that if you tangle with one, your arm is useless for the rest of the day.........I once built an electric mouse trap using a bank of motor start capacitors charging on DC using a voltage doubling rectifier circuit that gave me 280 charging volts from line voltage......... Sounded like a pistol shot when it went off!! It would blow feet and legs off mice... a bit extreme! However if you've ever been tangled up in an electric fence, you'll not have a difficult time imagining a junkie grabbing a hot lifeline from a RIB!
     
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  5. Will Gilmore
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    Be careful, though. The local fire chief answered a call once for a dumpster that was on fire. The owner had wired it to his house electric against bears. It killed the bear and caught on fire. What if it wasn't a bear that it zapped:eek:.
     
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  6. Owly
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    Electric fencers do not normally set fires........... who in their right mind would call the fire dept in such a situation???? Most folks have a garden hose. I use mains current on problem dogs at times, but it's on a "trigger" I control..... They don't come back!! If a junkie grabs your lifelines and gets zapped and drowns...... so be it. Poke a hole in the RIB... or whatever, and let the body drift away. Electric fences are legal as far as I know. There are hundreds of them here........... You have it for "seal protection". One less junkie...... a better way to go (lungs full of water) than an OD.
     
  7. Owly
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    There should be a complete thread on deterrent systems. The late Patrick Childress did a Utube on piracy deterrent using flares.
     
  8. Burger
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    That would be Murder One, possibly Murder Two, and Fail to Report a fatality. Probably a few more electrical-safety related charges too. You could do a minimum of 10 years jail.
    You'd be taking a human life to protect a few hundred dollars worth of boat stuff. You might be killing the guy who's come to save your boat when it's dragged anchor.

    Maybe just get a few sturdy padlocks?
     
  9. Owly
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    It would be neither........ Electric fences are completely legal and used everywhere, You presumably are not on the boat.... and a jolt from a fencer does not incapacitate someone.... probably would not result in a drowning, nor would you likely know that had happened if it had. A normal person gets bitten and jerks back from the jolt... a strung out junkie... who knows?? If you come back to your boat some night and find a dinghy tied to it and nobody around, what do you do? Call the law and get into the middle of an investigation? or get rid of the dinghy.... push it off and let it drift elsewhere and say nothing is probably the most sensible course. Locks are said to be for keeping "honest" people honest..... If they want in, they will get in. I guess thieves and vandals, rapists, **********, terrorists, and others of their ilk do qualify as "human life", but I put a negative value on such creatures. I've been bitten by these electric fencers many times, nor would I hesitate to use one to protect my property. It is not illegal anywhere I know of......... I wouldn't wire up line current, which would be both extremely dangerous and illegal. I haven't lived in an urban area... or even close to one in about 40 years, but when I did, I was robbed at the point of a switchblade a number of times as well as being burgled a time or two. I have a total contempt for that kind of trash. I work for the things I have with my hands... literally... something anybody who is capable of robbery could do.... Not all garbage is recyclable!!
     
  10. redreuben
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    Nope, but it could be compostable !
     
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  11. Scuff
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    Lol!
     
  12. rael dobkins
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    rael dobkins Dreams come True, But only to Dreamers...

    Just Love it... Ol Redreuben is lost.... What did he do for the SHUNTING world? As far I know, nothing!!! Here, in east Europe where Balkan Shipyards is, most people I know earn 12 EURO a day! Twelve!! I make 50!!! cos I'm clever, I'm the president of Balkan Shipyards, so I work for 12 hours a day as a roofer, I come with my tools, my car and I work hard. Falling off is usually a bad idea, keeping fit is as important as having your roofing skills...

    Redreuben, read on my friend... Here in Bulgaria, Corruption rules... A small market with inflated prices... Epoxy, Glass and Tools are more expensive than the west. Fuel, Power and Food are also more expensive... I would roughly say we're living at a ONE to FIVE ratio compared to West Europe...

    So, What do I do??? I work 7 days a week, 12 hours a day... If I'm not roofing, I'm building Proas. At night, when I get home, I download GIGAS and GIGAS of VIDEO into my computer and I start editing videos. Editing a film can take 2 weeks, since I usually crash into the computer and fall asleep... I edit my Vids and upload them, I share them anywhere Proa People hang, cos SHUNTING is the FUTURE we just want people to understand it.

    I could never afford a fancy yacht, I thought you need 50 or 100 thousand bucks for one that can sail around the world... If I only knew what I know now, 20 years ago I would have circumnavigated the globe a bunch of times... PROAS are CHEAP, Balkan Shipyards never held back on information, what we learned through blood, sweat and tears we always shared for FREE, what works and what doesn't, we have NO SECRETS.

    I'm sure thousands of Proa freaks around the world learned through our video, the mistakes we made and what doesn't work... What worked we shared too, how it's made, dimensions, why is works and what we've learned. That was my time, That I GAVE, Filming and Editing a decade of sharing... I suppose some of us have to google the word 'GIVE 'and learn what it means....

    Oh by the way, the next VIDEO from Balkan Shipyards couldn't fit the topic better, please watch through... The end is shocking!

    All d Best,
    Keep Shunting,
    Balkan Shipyards.

     
  13. redreuben
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    I haven’t done anything for shunting.
    But then I haven’t put my hand out.
    I might live in a rich country but that doesn’t make me rich and no I don’t own a $100,000 boat, I crew for people who do.
    Whatever country you live in sailing is a luxury pastime and you have a trade and a job and from what I’ve seen can afford tobacco so my charity dollar goes to way more deserving causes.
    Peace out ☮️
     
  14. rael dobkins
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    rael dobkins Dreams come True, But only to Dreamers...

    No body said you were rich. I just think you should keep your personal opinion about others to your self. especially the fact that "you suspect", others agree with your opinion... Sailing is not a luxury! Sailing can be as cheap as you want, once you understand it's true meaning... Balkan Shipyards is about educating others that still think the way I DID. The way you STILL DO. "Sailing is a Luxury..."

    Sailing is not a luxury, since many spend more on cars per year, than what sailing could cost them. Many are confused by globalization, to such an extent, that they have come to believe that, only the latest shiny plastic, bursting with electronic rubbish designed for winning races, is the way to sail... My third Proa "Make O'Break", cost me 500 Euro to BUILD and RIG! I can go VERY far, VERY fast, take VERY much, in VERY bad weather, for VERY little MONEY, I transport him on my VERY cheap car, with VERY little hassle. I shared every detail of that boat on the net for nothing, I have shared various details of the design via Email, with a guy who is doing something on 'Autocad', what ever that means.... I have had others ask about the boats design, nothing is left unanswered. That's giving in my opinion.

    Every day, the first bum that asks me for 'some change' even though he may be smoking a cigarette... Will get some. Why? cos he's doing his job! he's showing society what happens once you lose hope... try it you may feel better. I support them all, But only once a day!!! First come first serve.

    Except for smoking tobacco, I also drink, keep your dollars, I will keep smoking. and drinking...

    Welcome to Balkan Shipyards, we are SHUNTERS, what we know U know. "Make O'Break" serious cruising, no electronics, no ********... This is how we do it. VIDEO attached, SAILING AINT no LUXURY!!! dreams come true, but only to dreamers... Keep Shunting guys.

     
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  15. Scuff
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    Holy thread drift Batman. Why not just build a cat? ;-)
    On topic, I'm hoping it looks good from 20'/6m just starting the fairing.
     

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