Levi drives

Discussion in 'Surface Drives' started by ted655, Dec 11, 2006.

  1. Frosty

    Frosty Previous Member

    There are forum rules about blatent advertising but not about supplying a price that was asked for.

    I am sure that other forum members would be interested at knowing how much you sell them for, the price is not on your web site iether.
     
  2. xrudi
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    xrudi Rudi Scholz

    Levi Surface Drive LD 170-150

    Here are the prices Dec 2006 for and LD 170-150. The first number stands for the max propeller diameter. In this case 17 inches.
    Thes econd number stand for the shaft diameter. In this case 1.5 inches.
    The price for the "Fisherman" unit in galvanized steel without propeller is 2100 $ US ex factory Malaysia.

    The price for the "Fisherman" in stainless steel 316L, our normal steel quality, is 3720 $ US.

    We also have a version of this fisherman with hyhraulic steering. The hydraulic ram in completly produced in stainless steel 316. The bearings are water lubricated "Vesconite" from South Africa.

    We just delivered a Levi Drive 170-150 in stainless steel with hydraulic steering to Ko Pangang (near Ko Samui, Thailand, Paul's Boatyard). They need some good drives for their full moon party:)

    Best Regards

    Rudolf Scholz
    Naval Architect
     
  3. Frosty

    Frosty Previous Member

    Thanks rudi . Thats very interesting.

    can I ask you how much you would quote me for a 2 peices 26x26 diamond back with a 2 inch shaft taper and key hub in bronze,-- L&R ? Unfortunately an anode fell off one shaft and it damaged a blade on one prop.
     
  4. Rudy, hi, You didn't told me about a new dealer in Thailand. May You send to me his name by email ? By the way I will be in Ko Pangan to try the 170 when Paul will have the boat ready, I told him already.
    Luigi
     
  5. xrudi
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    xrudi Rudi Scholz

    Levi Diamond Back Propeller

    Dear Jack Frost,

    What kind of surface drive do you have? It might be better to buy a replacement from your original supplier.

    Less problem with fitting the prop to the shaft. We would require the shafts to be send to us for fitting. The fit should be 60-80 % blue color marked.

    Levi Diamond Back propeller are made in NiAL Bronze. They are sized to fit the maximum diameter of each Levi Drive model. To fit the different pitch requirements we have five right hand and five left hand propeller for each model.

    These are commercial propellers for commercial drives. Everthing is a bit more solid than on racing drives. We don't like our propeller blades to fly around:)

    To give you an example. A "Diamond Back Propeller" for a LD 240-250 (up to about 300 hp) would have a diameter of 24 inches and the hub would be for a 2.5 inch shaft.

    Price 2624 $ US Dec.2006.


    A "Diamond Back Propeller" for a LD 280-300 (up to about 500 hp) would have a diameter of 28 inches and the hub would be for a 3 inch shaft.

    Price 3974 $ US Dec. 2006.

    Your requested propeller 4 bladed 26/26 for a 2 inch shaft is not our standard size, but we can do a special propeller for you.
    Please request a special quotation from our sales department when ready to order since the prices for propeller are following the world copper prices and going up constantly.

    GL certification is possible at extra costs.

    Best Regards


    Rudolf Scholz

    Naval Architect




    You can have GL certification at extra costs.
     
  6. Frosty

    Frosty Previous Member

    Aha I have found a drive manufacturer that freely talks about propeller positioning behind the transom. A point that some think is a trade secret amongst drive manufacturers.

    Sea rider surface drives web site is very interesting and positions its propeller one half of the diam of the propeller away from the transom, making this a very compact unit.

    So for all the mathamaticians interested it would appear that a 26 inch prop would be 13 inches from the transom.

    As I have tried in the past to find the criteria of this measurement, I am still not sure of it. Drive manufactures state that the cleaner the water the better the performance of the propeller, yet keep moving it further away.
     
  7. Frosty

    Frosty Previous Member



    The props were ordered and made in NZ and the shafts were made near the boat in Sydney. A standard taper is a standard taper.

    I can remove my props with out getting my hair wet. Hauling the boat and removing shafts???? then posting a 2x 30 kilo shafts to you and back???

    Rudi thats more than the props cost.
     
  8. xrudi
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    xrudi Rudi Scholz

    Propeller- Shaft fit

    Dear Jack Frost,

    To my knowledge there is no standard popeller cone. The American's use one inch to a foot (1:12). The European use (1:10). We have had also a lot of other tapers in between. The key is an other problem. Eveybody seem to make a different key grove. The key grove should be formed like a spoon at the end.

    If you provide us with a shaft, you get a perfect fit. (60-80 % blued). In this process the shaft is coulered and than fit together with the propeller. The marking inside the prop hub should be 60-80%. This can be certified by a classification society at extra cost. We prefer Germanischer LLoyd.

    If you don't need such precision, measure your shaft taper carefully and make us a drawing. We produce according to your drawing. You might also employ a local workshop to do the final fit. The "risk of the fit" is in this case yours. But remember, on a a 1:10 taper one 1mm error moves in the propeller 10 mm. :)

    A few e- mails ago you wanted to pick up an LD 170-150 with your truck from Penang and bring the unit to Thailand. Use the same truck to bring us the shafts:)


    Cheers Rudi
     
    Last edited: Dec 21, 2006
  9. xrudi
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    xrudi Rudi Scholz

    Removing Shaft on a floating boat

    Dear Jack Frost,

    I think there is no problem to remove the shaft when the boat is floating. I have done this several times for my own catamaran and also on bigger ships. All you need are two good plucks (inside and outside) and a good bilge pump:)

    Cheers Rudi

    Naval Architect
     
  10. Frosty

    Frosty Previous Member

    You mean drive to Pinang from Thailand and back twice? Or will you make the two props while I wait?------ It doesnt matter.

    Your props are nearly as much as seafury's, and they made the taper perfectly once.

    As far as buying a drive unit, youve convinced me to make one myself as the shaft length is not critical 600-800mm. wont be too difficult then.

    I also do not like the exhaust grills in your drives. How can you antifoul inside the drive to keep the grill clear of barnacles

    On a shallow draft vessel as your fishing boat as an example directing the exhaust to the prop would not be necessary any way.
     
  11. xrudi
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    xrudi Rudi Scholz

    Sonny Levi inspired propeller holder (Drive Unit)

    Sonny Levi inspired propeller holder (Drive Unit)

    Dear Jack Frost,

    You should have told me that you want produce a Sonny Renato Levi inspired propeller holder (Levi Drive). You are not the only one! We come across quite a lot of copies world wide. Some even use Sonny's record breaking boat name in their company logo.

    If you need some drawings of the drive unit, please go to Sonny’s second book “Milestones in my Designs”. You will find a complete set of drawings there. This properly the cheapest way to get some inside knowledge about “surface propulsion”.

    The LD 170-150 does not have an exhaust diffuser (grill on the back). Too expensive to produce.

    Your mentioned shell problem does not exist.
    Shells don’t like to grow in the dark, Our customer don’t find it difficult to clean the diffuser with a pressure cleaner and apply antifouling with a spry gun. It is much more complicated to weld this structure together.


    Merry Christmas

    Rudolf Scholz

    Naval Architect
     
  12. Frosty

    Frosty Previous Member

    Rudi,

    A merry Christmas to you too.

    I have read the book, Sonny very kindly lent me his own personal copy some years ago.

    I thought you had exhaust vents? Sorry -- difficult to see.
     
  13. jmac
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    jmac Junior Member

    Jack Frost
    I am using this drive on my boat. Of the manufacturer's that I have seen this one seems to stick out less than the others. My use is for speeds up to 28knots. I tend to agree with the earlier statement about propeller design being what it is all about. They give all there dimensions on the web site. (The links works in explorer only)

    http://www.q-spd.com/SD Series.htm
     
  14. xrudi
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    xrudi Rudi Scholz

    A simplified Levi Drive with tiller steering

    One of our customers ask us to produce a more simple Levi Drive LD 240-250 for his catamaran. We made him a tiller steering version of our LD 240-250. There are no more hydraulics in the water. The steering will be activated by the crossbar connecting both drives. I'm not sure if he will use cable steering or mount a hydraulic cylinder on the transom.
    LD 240-250 with long shaft and tiller steering3.jpg

    LD 240-250 with long shaft and tiller steering.jpg
     

  15. xrudi
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    xrudi Rudi Scholz

    Levi Drive 170-150 with tiller - rope steering

    We have done some new test with our test boat "Kristina" equiped with an LD 170-150 in Port Dickson. We got 27 knots but I think with a bit of adjusting we will hit 30 knots. At the moment the gearbox (Koysan) is slipping. The LD 170-150 is a painted test version. We don't sell rusty products:)

    LD170-150 Rope Steering on a painted version.JPG

    LD 170-150 on 25 foot Test Boat.JPG

    Speed 27 knots 50 km- hour.JPG
     

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