LAYLA, a John Alden inspired design by Rockport Marine

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  1. mariasimpson
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  2. brian eiland
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    I went to your blog.

    What a great presentation. I can feel your passion for Alden's work, and this particular design.

    I've had a passion for some of his designs as well, and particularly a Alden 57 design featuring a steadying sail rig on a power vessel that he did not want to call a motorsailer.

    I want to do a 'moderization' of this design for exploring the world. Your yard was the builder of "Hawksbill"....what great lines for such a purposeful vessel.

    http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/boat-design/motor-sailers-philip-rhodes-john-alden-16721.html#post133008

    http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/boat-design/motor-sailers-philip-rhodes-john-alden-16721.html#post213166
     
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    Beautiful renderings, I hope you find someone to finance her. Personally I would have lost the stack, everyone knows it's phony, in this age it just looks pretentious, and would have included the tube/canvas around the outside steering station (you absolutely have to hide that modern helm chair). Also go back the original round ports in the aft cabin.
    How do those green chairs work in the cockpit? When you sit in the chair are they the correct height so your feet are on the sole? If so then when you sit on the deck with your feet on the sole aren't your knees are around your ears?
    I've always wondered why powerboat designers don't do nice cockpits. There are plenty of sailboats designed with really comfortable sit in cockpits with nice seatbacks and proper ergonomics. Powerboat designers just seem to want to give you a flat floor and that's it, you need to supply folding chairs or something.
     
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    A few of my comments in blue above.
    Brian
     
  5. philSweet
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    Please lose the triatic stay. Alden didn't need it and neither do you. It's an annoyance. You can hoist one flying when you need to dress ship.
     
  6. Milehog
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    The stack looks like a very roomy deck locker, I like it!
    Would it ruin the boat's looks to move said stack aft 1 1/2 or 2 feet so's the helm could be directly in front of it? The blind spot the pictured outside steering station has seems like a fatal flaw to me.
     
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    Wonder if the helm seating could be somehow 'camoflaged' inside a portion of the stack. :idea:

    Or maybe just forget about the outside helm, and concentrate on a nice inside helm like that of this lovely canal barge.
     

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    Better yet.
     
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    Fantastic style.

    I like the outside station...great for work like docking and eyeball navigation .

    The "stack " could be very valuable as natural or extractor fan driven ventilation . Fold out "stack" BBQ or deck bar could be cool .

    Perhap move the formast aft and thru the cabin house to unclutter the deck and make Nav gear instaltiion easy.

    Im not familiar with motorsailor stabilizer, motoring sails. An in mast roller mainsail might be worth investigating .

    Nesting anchors are a drama and chafe the stem. Perhaps investigate a stem housed drop down Bruce.

    Davits are great for stop and go cruising but are intrusive in many parts of the world when the yacht goes stern too. Modern boats use 3 meter ribs. Would be worthwhile to allocate space for a rib.
     

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    "Fold out "stack" BBQ or deck bar could be cool ."

    Might be a great place to stash the folding deck chairs.

    FF
     
  11. Tad
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    Make the stack from fiberglass and hide the radar and sat com dish in it.........
     
  12. sean9c
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    Best reason yet to keep the stack.
    I'm guessing that when Alden drew the original he included the stack as it was functional and necessary, I bet if it wasn't necessary he wouldn't have included it as decoration as it is now.
    Outside steering position has worse sight line forward than pilothouse, though likely nice to be outside if weather permits. Notice in original design stack was farther back in relation to helm so does not to obstruct view to stbd.
     
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    If the outside helm were for standup use only the stack wouldn't have to be moved as far back in order to see both sides of the boat.
     
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    Hi, Maria. She's a stunnah!

    Well done, and I hope someone steps up.

    Best wishes, Carl
     

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    Thanks, Carl!

    Thanks, Carl, and everyone else for the feedback. We appreciate it!
     
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