Last voyage for Costa Concordia cruise ship

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  1. peter radclyffe
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    of course the locals dont want it there,but it would feed them, i know its just too logical, there is a lack of logic in these islands
     
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    it could be the most virulent consumer consumption museum in the world,left there or if they do raise it they could make it the centrepiece of the pacific garbage patch,large screens and speakers could play non stop all the junk music and movies,

    but hey it probably wont happen
     
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    The Mediterranean is quite far removed from the Pacific Garbage Patch, which by all accounts is a large, low density area with generally small, or even microscopic pieces of plastic.

    Due to currents, the Italian Mediterranean coast is also far more pristine than the Italian Adriatic.

    The ship would be hardly safe to climb around now with the 90 degree list without expert assistance. If left in place, how many scavengers will find themselves trapped in a room with all exits on the ceiling?

    The superstructure obviously would not be maintained, and over the course of a few years will be reduced to a rotting hulk, and, of course, also become far more perilous, as well as loosing value and becoming more difficult to salvage. Which is why the majority of ships that are not salvaged within the first year, never get salvaged.

    Burial at sea should still be considered an alternative. The sea will eventually absorb anything that will actually sink, although the other Mediteranian countries certainly won't want Costa Concordia trash washing up on their beaches.

    Although, I'm surprised that ordinary “scrappers” don't just slowly cart off beached ships. Perhaps it is far easier to steal air conditioning units from the local churches than pull out half ton chunks of beams from stranded ships.
     
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    I am sure it is guarded, there are millions of dollars in money and jewelry on board. People who go on cruises seldom travel without there best jewelry and a few hundred in cash for casino or ports. The ship has several safes , artworks and also shops. This boat is a cat burglars wet dream.
     
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    Even if the personal items are removed, if the ship is left in place, scavengers will be climbing through the nooks and crannies for years looking for mementos. Local gift shops would be selling knobs and artifacts from the ship. Even a few tourists will try to climb aboard.
     
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    How accurate is the GPS on the large ships?
    I would think they would have digital maps tied to GPS that would give high resolution images of the course and obstructions.

    I'm seeing some confirmations that the nautical charts that were in use may not have had the precision to show "the rock".
    http://www.travelagentcentral.com/o...ncordias-captain-officials-investigated-33797
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ed-ships-speed-for-dinner-with-ex-dancer.html
    It would seem that while they would have paper charts available, they would also have highly accurate charts built into their navigation equipment. Is the navigation equipment accurate enough to highlight, and perhaps sound alarms for upcoming obstructions, say 1/2 mile ahead? While one would be curious about stuff under the bow, there has to be significant look-ahead for these large ships.

    Nonetheless, it would seem inappropriate to steer a 1000 foot ship within a few yards of a chain of small islets extending into the ocean.

    I'm seeing that the official inquiry is also coming up with some of the same things that people here have been wondering.
    I have to wonder how different things would have been for the captain had he competently handled the evacuation, despite all the other "issues".
     
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    The ship would be hardly safe to climb around now with the 90 degree list without expert assistance. If left in place, how many scavengers will find themselves trapped in a room with all exits on the ceiling?

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    are you talking about rock and roll parties where you cant find the door, it would pay for itself with extreme sports fanatics, extreme ironing boarders,18/30 knot singles clubs,where is your sense of humour
     
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    hehe, your sense of humor is intact!
     
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    The Concordia is already a buoy of sorts which is why Italy can't simply leave it there... A new thread, hmm.
     
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    A dive attraction would be worthwhile. Local authorities concerned with the Don Pedro lobbied the governmant hard to gain approval for a tourist wreck. Once approved I believe that a team of salvage divers made the ship SAFE for recreational divers. I dont know what safe means but those commercial divers spent months on the wreck. At present an issue I hear concerning the wreck is how to keep divers safe from being run down by other recreational boats.
     
  11. Submarine Tom

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    "I have to wonder how different things would have been for the captain had he competently handled the evacuation, despite all the other "issues"."

    What if he'd simply handled the ships navigation in the first place?

    -Tom
     
  12. peter radclyffe
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    The Mediterranean is quite far removed from the Pacific Garbage Patch, which by all accounts is a large, low density area with generally small, or even microscopic pieces of plastic.

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    no kidding,youll be teaching people how to ride bikes next,
     
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    Discovery's version of C C in UK

    Scheduled to run at 10 pm Sunday - might be worth watching!

    Some serious technical errors - lack of any serious attempt to look into the flooding sequence - disappointing!
     
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    When you read about that incident:

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/feb/27/costa-concordia-sister-ship-adrift
    No mention of how much smoke entered the cabins, but there might be benefits of getting people out on deck. Obviously the ship isn't sitting on a rock yet, but the emergency response sounds like it was carried out much more professionally than with the Costa Concordia.

    The ship apparently had 4 generators. As I mentioned with the Costa Concordia, I'm just surprised that all the generators are apparently in the same compartment, so a single incident leaves the ship essentially powerless. If, say 3/4 of the engines/generators were aft, and one was isolated in the bow, then they might be able to maintain power to ships systems and limp to port.

    Obviously there is less redundancy with propulsion motors, but each of them could be isolated as well as possible. And, there could also be damage to the ship's power distribution systems.
     
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