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I have been living in China for 9 years over last 18 years and the freedom compared to Australia and New Zealand is much much more as there are no finger pointers and fear mongers driven with negativity thinking.

So much freedom in China and so much respect, I get a meaningful 100 smiles every day at the least in China but in NZ or AU I do not exist except to backstabbers.

I am a person who are obsessed with my personal freedom and why I love China.
Singapore was like that 40 years ago, once capitalism, debt and inflation ( the tools to make a small group rich and the rest, well...) takes hold you dont get any more smiles. Its amazing to see old photos compared with today.
 
The statistics are pretty easy to look up and yes the USA does have a lot of people in prison, but they were tried and convicted, which is considerably different than China's approach to criminal justice. Are there innocents in prison here, yep, but a very small percentage and they have legal access and recourse, which again, isn't the case in China for many.

Speaking of statistics, have a look at how many immigrate to China, compared to those that leave and never come back. Guess where they go, by an overwhelming majority? Over 45 million international migrants lived in the United States in 2013. Yet only 850,000 people living in China were born in other countries. Hummmmm. Wonder why. The USA has been the major country for immigration since it's founding.

In fact it's Chinese, born outside the country that are moving to China, making it the fourth largest emergration country in the world, but no other ethnics are coming to China. To further these facts, the biggest movers are within China itself, with migrants moving to find better work, from rural to urban areas.

Things are changing within China and they'll have to work on a new immigration policy soon. China has little experience with immigration and has no special law regulating transnational migrants. Of the most recent statistics, about a 1/2 a million people immigrated to China, but only 10% of these for employment. Korea, Myanmar and Vietnam are the big contributors to this list. This is especially true with respect to the granting of "eligible status", which is still under strict policy control. There is a very limited quota of Chinese "green cards", or permanent residence permits for foreign citizens, and applications for such permits are usually influenced by politics, in which they are primarily issued for "international friends" of the Communist Party instead of for international immigrants.

China is not exceptional in facing and dealing with illegal migration issues, which are a serious problem for many countries. According to the International Organization for Migration, "most States in the world (and not just in the developing world) lack the capacity to effectively manage the international mobility of persons today, not to mention respond to new dynamics". Even the United States, which defines itself as a nation of immigrants, still has to face "an estimated 11 million undocumented immigrants. Some crossed the border illegally. Others avoid immigration laws by overstaying their visas". Europe is also facing an increasing illicit migration problem, with “an estimated 400,000 people entering Europe illegally each year, being compounded by recent events in the eastern Med.

My point is China is behind the "8 ball" on many levels, not only immigration, but social values, legal concerns, monterey and industrial market fair play, acceptance of certain "inalienable" rights, etc., that much of the first world countries take for granted. If we organize a demonstration against our governments, we don't expect to spend the next ten years in prison without charges or a trial, just for calling the president a butt head, but try that in China and there's a very strong likelihood you will. China's rise has been exceptional, but to profit at the expense of the people's freedoms, the quality of the land, sea and water, etc. is a terrible price to pay and I hope your country learns faster than the others that have been its shoes did.
yes in the west we can protest but then again lets say you are out back mowing the lawn and one of your kids friends walks in to your house with a joint and somebody has told the police, you all go to prison and thats the law.
It would be interesting to know if the USA has more innocent convicts via felony charges in prison versus political prisoners in China?

A policeman is having a bad day so in meeting you arrests you for nothing, you have a record for life that cannot be expunged hence you have created the worlds largest criminalised population for things that are generally not crimes in most other countries, certainly ones that do not result in a permanent record.
And how are your rights in reality after you have a record in the USA???
At the bottom end yes the USA takes huge numbers of 3rd world immigrants but at the other end I'll bet it has the highest number of people at the top end getting other passports.
Here in Singapore its standard to meet an American and they say they now have a Singapore passport ( and no US any more as you cant have both)
But you do have the right to walk down the street and not be shot and accosted to buy drugs or hassled by police looking to make money from you as the gov does not want you in prison and certainly does everything to prevent a second visit.
And for having all that forced on you, you pay a whole lot less tax
its a funny world!
Did we mention if you are a foreigner in the USA and arrested you cant get bail so stay locked up till trial, not many countries in the world do that as given.
that must add to the list of innocent people incarcerated.
 
I have been living in China for 9 years over last 18 years and the freedom compared to Australia and New Zealand is much much more as there are no finger pointers and fear mongers driven with negativity thinking.

So much freedom in China and so much respect, I get a meaningful 100 smiles every day at the least in China but in NZ or AU I do not exist except to backstabbers.

I am a person who are obsessed with my personal freedom and why I love China.
it might be free when you live part time in a virtually uninhabited part of china but its a lot different in other parts . I know that for a fact.
 
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Here in Singapore its standard to meet an American and they say they now have a Singapore passport ( and no US any more as you cant have both)
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US citizens can have dual citizenship with two passports. Only restriction is you need to use your US passport for entering the US. And you still have to pay US taxes on worldwide income, same as all other US citizens. Primary reason for renouncing US citizenship is to avoid paying US taxes, though that's become harder to do.
 
Guangzhou where I live is millions of people, also Shangdong region living in Dongying for over 3 years amongst millions, also Chongqing where I first went to China 18 years ago is the same natured people and far far from isolated.
If one wants to bad mouth other cultures with misinformed information then firsthand experiences in AU I found a large percentage of the work force jockeying for their positions "crawlers" suffering from job insecurities, NZ much the same.
In China the work force I have also personally worked side by side and actually lived with on some factories accommodations are the opposite, no back stabbing, no bad mouthing, no job insecurity's and a close family atmosphere and humbleness on their work skills.
While developing my ideas in China with factories, who many owners are friends for many years are more worried about friendship before business even though they know my finances are shoe string.
In NZ or AU I cannot find the workmanship skills for my work needed but in China the workmanship skills are dime a dozen and teenagers who operate CNC, EDM and CAD as no big deal.
The picture I took 2 days ago when the factory engineer, EDM wire cutter a a worker are threading a mock up miniature titanium invention I have just developed and will have displayed on www.Kickstarter.com shortly that is suited for the marine market.
Even if wanted to pay the owner of this factory for his labor he would not except, friendship is more important which you can also see his work force which are well over 100 have no one on their backs cracking the whip like they do in AU.

The other picture taken was 17 years ago with the managing director and workers which I lived in this Shenzhen lost wax investment casting factory for 6 months that had a workforce of over 200.
 

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Sounds like myark does more bad mouthing than about aussies and kiwis than anyone has done about china on this thread. Your biggest problem is your attitude myark . You seem to consider yourself far superior than everyone else and that is why you can't get on with people in your own country and Australia. You seem to do a lot of good things for other people which is great then you spoil it by insulting others and going on about how wonderful you are. And i know a lot more about chonqing than you think.
 
Boeing has just signed up to a deal to build airliners at a new plant in China.
 
Sounds like myark does more bad mouthing than about aussies and kiwis than anyone has done about china on this thread. Your biggest problem is your attitude myark . You seem to consider yourself far superior than everyone else and that is why you can't get on with people in your own country and Australia. You seem to do a lot of good things for other people which is great then you spoil it by insulting others and going on about how wonderful you are. And i know a lot more about chonqing than you think.

Whitepointer badmouthing message to me below :rolleyes:


If you changed your attitude you might get a bit of respect. I have worked with dozens of kiwis on minesites over the years and 1 in 3 are nice people and the other 2 are bigheaded clowns that rave on constantly about how good they are and how much better it is in n z. Quit the constant self promotion and you might be ok but at the moment your just another kiwi. You know our parliament house in canberra was built with reserve seats and offices set aside for when we annex new Zealand and it becomes a state of australia. We have been carrying you for 200 years might as well make it official. Bàaaaaaaaaaaaa.
 
Have to draw straws for the maiden flight. Off topic question. Do cruisers visit china , the coast looks nice in pictures. I have never read or heard of sailors going there. Is it possible.
 
US citizens can have dual citizenship with two passports. Only restriction is you need to use your US passport for entering the US. And you still have to pay US taxes on worldwide income, same as all other US citizens. Primary reason for renouncing US citizenship is to avoid paying US taxes, though that's become harder to do.
you cant have a Singapore passport and any other hence all these people I have met have renounced US citizenship to get the monkey off their back.
 
Have to draw straws for the maiden flight. Off topic question. Do cruisers visit china , the coast looks nice in pictures. I have never read or heard of sailors going there. Is it possible.
They have some regatta's but they dont really have systems in place yet but yes you can sort of cruise the cost.
One problem is if your boat was built in china for export it has to go to a bonded dock if you return, so that kills of cruising.
Thats a nightmare they need to fix
 
Whitepointer badmouthing message to me below :rolleyes:


If you changed your attitude you might get a bit of respect. I have worked with dozens of kiwis on minesites over the years and 1 in 3 are nice people and the other 2 are bigheaded clowns that rave on constantly about how good they are and how much better it is in n z. Quit the constant self promotion and you might be ok but at the moment your just another kiwi. You know our parliament house in canberra was built with reserve seats and offices set aside for when we annex new Zealand and it becomes a state of australia. We have been carrying you for 200 years might as well make it official. Bàaaaaaaaaaaaa.
Pretty true isn't it. I forgot you are only allowed to insult people. I do read about all the good things you have done for kids and people in your posts. Maybe you have 2 personalities. By the way i probably have more kiwi friends than you . And we all love hanging it on one another.
 
They have some regatta's but they dont really have systems in place yet but yes you can sort of cruise the cost.
One problem is if your boat was built in china for export it has to go to a bonded dock if you return, so that kills of cruising.
Thats a nightmare they need to fix

I was thinking about foreign yachts. Like a lot of aussies cruise up to Indonesia and the Philippines but never a mention of china. Can you sail to china, check in with customs and go ashore like other places.
 
I reckon WP23 met one-too-many export model NZedders that grated on him. I have met some of those, but also some great kiwis here on holiday. The ones that came here to stay, not so much, including one fool who bragged about dodging child support payments for two kids for 15 years. Lucky for those kids they never had anything to do with him !
 
I was thinking about foreign yachts. Like a lot of aussies cruise up to Indonesia and the Philippines but never a mention of china. Can you sail to china, check in with customs and go ashore like other places.
Don't want to cruise the DPRK coastline ? :D
 
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