John Deere ENGINES made it China

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  1. whitepointer23

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    No doubt most of the electrical stuff is. When i buy groceries i check everything for chinese content. I refuse to buy any food products from there. They fertilize with human sewerage. I won't buy new Zealand food either. The kiwis import chinese foodstuffs and send them here as made in new Zealand. I even found meat pies that had local and imported ingredients. What part is imported.
     
  2. Mr Efficiency
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    If you are buying a long and well established brand name, it is unlikely they are going to junk their reputation with lowered quality. But if it is a pop-up brand you never heard of, probably more likely to be rubbish.
     
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    Agree, the NZ business allows Chinese food import. No wonder they make those food labels hard to read !
     
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    You mean the 1/2 a million people in prison without trial or charges or access to legal services? How about the harassment, surveillance, house arrest, and imprisonment of human rights defenders being on the rise, and censorship of the internet and other media issues. Repression of minority groups, including Tibetans, Uighurs and Mongolians, and of Falun Gong practitioners and Christians who practice their religion outside state-sanctioned churches.

    Really, so who conducted this best place to live survey anyway? I guess we will not mention the forced abortions. China places arbitrary curbs on expression, association, assembly, and religion; prohibits independent labor unions and human rights organizations; and maintains Party control over all judicial institutions.

    China censors the press, the internet, print publications, and academic research and justifies human rights abuses as necessary to preserve "social stability". It carries out involuntary population relocation and rehousing on a massive scale, and enforces highly repressive policies in ethnic minority areas.

    Sounds like a lovely place to live. People from all over the world must be rushing to immigrate there. Now, these are social issues, in which China is clearly also still quite a bit behind modern, first world societies, but indeed reflective of a biggest set of concerns that trickle down to industry and marketing practices, which in many ways are similar to the oppressive social restraints.
     
  5. whitepointer23

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    The patties food factory is only 50 km up the road. They gave a lot of people hepatitis a few months back with chinese frozen berries.
     
  6. Mr Efficiency
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    Food labelling laws in Australia are lax.
     
  7. powerabout
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    The usa has more people in prison than china and india added together.
    The usa would also have more innocent people in prison as well due to the stupid felony laws that will go on forever due to all the money that is made from arresting someone.

    Read carroll smiths books, US built and repaired aircraft have been full of fake bolts for at least 30 years
     
  8. steve123
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    And if you insist on no chinese made products I guess your all naturists !
     
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    Certainly made clothing a lot cheaper. Plus many household wares.
     
  10. steve123
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    I have had the pleasure of meeting many expats and visitors of many different nationalities in China, the most common thing i hear is its nothing like they expected.
    Many come on short term contracts and want to stay because they love it.
    It has its good and bad area's just like any country and the bad is easily avoided.
    But my point is what people expect of China before they come is a far cry from what they find, I can honestly say i have not met anyone who said they would not come again.
    I also know people who have had to go back home after working here and hate being back home.
     
  11. whitepointer23

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    i don't doubt it. Some of the scenery shown on tv is magnificent. I have family there but i have not been myself. I would not be able to eat anything.:D
     
  12. PAR
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    The statistics are pretty easy to look up and yes the USA does have a lot of people in prison, but they were tried and convicted, which is considerably different than China's approach to criminal justice. Are there innocents in prison here, yep, but a very small percentage and they have legal access and recourse, which again, isn't the case in China for many.

    Speaking of statistics, have a look at how many immigrate to China, compared to those that leave and never come back. Guess where they go, by an overwhelming majority? Over 45 million international migrants lived in the United States in 2013. Yet only 850,000 people living in China were born in other countries. Hummmmm. Wonder why. The USA has been the major country for immigration since it's founding.

    In fact it's Chinese, born outside the country that are moving to China, making it the fourth largest emergration country in the world, but no other ethnics are coming to China. To further these facts, the biggest movers are within China itself, with migrants moving to find better work, from rural to urban areas.

    Things are changing within China and they'll have to work on a new immigration policy soon. China has little experience with immigration and has no special law regulating transnational migrants. Of the most recent statistics, about a 1/2 a million people immigrated to China, but only 10% of these for employment. Korea, Myanmar and Vietnam are the big contributors to this list. This is especially true with respect to the granting of "eligible status", which is still under strict policy control. There is a very limited quota of Chinese "green cards", or permanent residence permits for foreign citizens, and applications for such permits are usually influenced by politics, in which they are primarily issued for "international friends" of the Communist Party instead of for international immigrants.

    China is not exceptional in facing and dealing with illegal migration issues, which are a serious problem for many countries. According to the International Organization for Migration, "most States in the world (and not just in the developing world) lack the capacity to effectively manage the international mobility of persons today, not to mention respond to new dynamics". Even the United States, which defines itself as a nation of immigrants, still has to face "an estimated 11 million undocumented immigrants. Some crossed the border illegally. Others avoid immigration laws by overstaying their visas". Europe is also facing an increasing illicit migration problem, with “an estimated 400,000 people entering Europe illegally each year, being compounded by recent events in the eastern Med.

    My point is China is behind the "8 ball" on many levels, not only immigration, but social values, legal concerns, monterey and industrial market fair play, acceptance of certain "inalienable" rights, etc., that much of the first world countries take for granted. If we organize a demonstration against our governments, we don't expect to spend the next ten years in prison without charges or a trial, just for calling the president a butt head, but try that in China and there's a very strong likelihood you will. China's rise has been exceptional, but to profit at the expense of the people's freedoms, the quality of the land, sea and water, etc. is a terrible price to pay and I hope your country learns faster than the others that have been its shoes did.
     
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    I have been living in China for 9 years over last 18 years and the freedom compared to Australia and New Zealand is much much more as there are no finger pointers and fear mongers driven with negativity thinking.

    So much freedom in China and so much respect, I get a meaningful 100 smiles every day at the least in China but in NZ or AU I do not exist except to backstabbers.

    I am a person who are obsessed with my personal freedom and why I love China.
     
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    Steve and Myark is right. Many ideas about other countries are due to deliberate Western propaganda and it is a 2000+ year old technique to propagate an "us" against "them" to keep the focus off the real trouble makers at home. Russia and China survived the communist disaster forced on them, and they are now only waking up with more freedom as Myark mentioned. Freedom stimulates development. The Western world is currently on a steep downhill into communism, it's only called "democracy", and as a result they are already overtaking the Western world. China has plans to double it's productivity and they have everything going for them.

    If China is so bad, how come they (already) have most of the US$...
     

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    the controls can be extreme, I have a buddy doing offshore construction project shared between several large oil companies including the Chinese gov and they have 2 expats checking every single nut and bolt that will be used.
    The Chinese are paying for that due to a previous very expensive issue.
     
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