Jap vs. Japanese offensive or common abbreviation (split from Copied Hull thread)

Chris.

To take it down to your level: (hope that the moderator don't see...)

Please read thoroughly what your doctor has written on the tiny white boxes, you're either taking too little or too much or not the correct ones.

Ok, since I come from a home with furnitures, and you again truly do not show any sign of that yet;

Websters Unabridged (that's book, a thing with papers inside, big thing, opens from left to right):

Jap; n and a Japanese: a shortened form often expressing contempt, hostility etc.

Often, not always, also pls check Wiki, there will you see that the "insult" is more clear for persons in America,

Quote:
Jap is a term originally used as an English abbreviation of the word "Japanese." Today it is regarded as an ethnic slur, though English-speaking countries differ in the degree they consider the term offensive. Japanese Americans have come to find the term controversial or offensive, even when used as an abbreviation. [1] In the past, Jap was not considered primarily offensive; however, after the events of World War II, the term became derogatory
Quote end.

Let me point out: though English-speaking countries differ in the degree they consider the term offensive

So who are you then to have the whole picture and whole truth with all variations and various understanding of the English language, over this entire earth?

You do not think that you would achieved a better tone and understanding on this forum by just stating that "many/ some may find this abbreviation distasteful"?

However, the way you're expressing yourself...
It is pretty clear to me that you will have the experience that people get offended by what you try to express. i.e. You will have a bigger number of words that causes negative reaction from the surroundings than an average person.

However, there's hope: Somtimes there are couses available in communication, I strongly suggest that you consider one... That, and a radical change in medication.

Regards

 

Chris, you ought to read this, oh, thou well-travelled son:

According to the wiki-site (obviously written by americans), it's offensive to japanese-americans - you know, japanese people living in the US - the land of über-PC):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jap


Other than that, this is what they write:

Now, do you really want to continue acting like the language-nazi you seem to love so much, all the while calling any- and everyone racists?

Edit: Apparently, unlike my mothertongue, where you write "Denmark", but a person is called a "dane", and the citizenship is "danish", apparently, one uses capital letters for all three of them in english. I'll give you that, then. Apparently it's a left-over from german grammar.

 

Does any of this have anything to do with boat design?

Please take your rationalizations and arguments to email or something.

 

Quite right amolitor,a touchy seppo has derailed the topic.The dubious ethics of mildly altering a hull and taking a mould in order to avoid royalties is what we ought to be analysing.

 

I agree with Chris, What is wrong with a bit of respect? And BTW I always capitalise American, Briton, etc. I was taught both in school many years ago (respect for human dignity & spelling).

I wonder if there are any Japanese on this site who might comment on what THEY prefer? Isn't that the bottom line? To address others in the manner they are most comfortable with? Just simple courtesy I would think.

 

It's not about "human dignity" the capitalisation, that is. As I explained, it turns out that despite that it's never capitalized in my ownmother tongue, it appears it should be in english, so that part of it I withdrew.
The rest? Well, feel free to agree with Chris, but read the links and information both Knut and I posted. It might help getting over that über-sensitivity.
Oh, and to counter your strawman argument (i.e. "what's wrong with abit of respect"), there's nothing wrong with respect. It just becomes ridiculous to claim something is disrespectful,when it is clearly not, and in the same vein claim that people must be racists. Especially considering things weren't anyone close to what Chris claimed they were.

Read the bloody links. And don't mistake Japanese-Americans for Japanese.

 

This thread has degenerated into complete bollocks. For that I apologise as it was my comment that caused it to go off on this tangent.

But if certain people cant differentiate between a harmless comment which is well known, used and accepted as being completely harmless within the motorcycle world then they need to get out more often and live in the real world.

Some people like to create situations, make issues etc.. where they dont exist. This thread has become such a example.

Honestly guys, there are far more worthy causes of concern out there for you to crusade for: bio-fuel corn use reduction, aid for Burma, water concerns in China etc.. stop beating your breasts over misinterpreted comments and go make a positive impact on the world where it is needed.

 

Then close your trap and start a thread that has to do with those topics above and leave the denigrating comments at the door.

Think you can do that?

 

Wow, talking about the pot calling the kettle black, Chris.

How the hell can you guys talk about respect of other people, nay, demanding that people talk in a certain manner that befits you personally, yet you behave like you do? And this, even after we pointed the facts out to you?


Seriously, you need to get out quite a lot more than what you do.

 

Welllllll, pulling a plug is not ethical (or if you will - in the current context PC), and I don't feel it is justifiable, so all I suggest is "Name and Shame" the septic enthusiasm at legal sewers etc is madnes and restricts advances in technology.

I am still pissed at a ****** septic copyrighting the generic words "UG Boots" used here to describe footware made of sheepskin with the wool still on - bloody nice winter wear. Feel free and earn my appreciation for pissing on his products - bloody thief & ******...

 

Why start threads on a forum, surely better to initiate ACTION ?

After a 2 year review, Small Producer Scheme 1, we paid them a 15% premium on their production. My project.

Small Producer Scheme 2, visiting our xyz small producer certification programs to establish cross synergies that we can introduce for small producer farms worldwide to help increase their yields, raise their profile and achieve price premiums.

Small Producer Scheme 3, working closely with retailers to create Good Agricultural Practise producer standards, piloting here in Brazil, Pakistan etc.. that will create better awareness and prefered consumer demand for audited G.A.P. produced textiles.

I' ve taken on these tasks in additon to my daily reponsibilities as I see Fund domination of the commodity markets, globalisation and the power of the fertilizer and seed suppliers to ramp up prices at will as the greatest threat to global small producers (around one hectare) today and tomorrow. The threat isnt going away, so we need to respond. And these are my responses.

Like I said, Chris, why waste time starting threads, isnt it better to 'close your trap' and ' Just Do It' ??

 

I was atonished because of the agressive response from Chris Ostlind to RHP and his following disrespect for other forum members here. Because I didn't want to increase the public level of discussion, which was hot enough, I just gave him bad reputation points, explaining him I considerd he had over-reacted and that could not agree with his late posts. Of course, as I always do, signing with my name.

Then it began a long series of messages between us, process in which he searched around and gave me bad rep points on his side to this my post:
http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/showpost.php?p=199560&postcount=21.

I had posted such messages here, but some hours later I deleted them, because I thought twice and considered Chris should be the one to post here his own private words, not me. I'm sorry about having done that.

The final consequence has been he's specifically trying to upset me calling me Spaniard whenever he responds my posts all around these forums, as he has done at:
http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/showpost.php?p=205875&postcount=33
(I had explained him 'Spaniard' is also a denigrating word towards the spanish people in the english language, but that I cared a damn thing about the people using the term)

Cheers.
Gillo "The Spaniard"

 

Is this evidence that everyone is feeling the global tension? Or is it just that all us "old fogies" and others are a little bored with current global existence?

I vote to ignore "political correctness" and recognise that often local terminology is a sort of term of endearment or comradeship, as in Aussy amongst friends greeting after an absence "G'day ya old *******, how's things hangin" does not imply illegitimacy now the testicular arrangements except if you are a stranger to the person being greeted.

I think it is time for a friendlier, more understanding (of the differences) in other cultures and not to be soooo upset by innocent use of local jargon from another region. Someone calls me a *******, I smile and ask "wot's your excuse, that is my birthright" - If there is a slight sense of humour in the air all ends in laughter and friendship. Is not that the attitude that is needed....

I still feel it is morally inappropriate to make a plug of another design without authority from the designer. The response should only be to "name and shame", as "litigation is only fighting within some rules" similar to war in the "Geneva Convention" - neither are really obeyed.

 

Call me morbid, but wow, I'm amazed!
I "joined the party" on the post (the next link), giving it a negative rep-point, because I felt (as I later wrote) that he was being a language-nazi, for want of a better word. The very idea, that he likened "Jap motorbike" to the things he infers in that post, not to mention calling people racists more or less between the lines, is what I reacted to.

http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/showpost.php?p=204926&postcount=51

His answer? Well, he decided to give this post a bad rep. and the reason? Well, he simply wrote this, copying what I had written in my explanation of the negative points I gave:

This post
http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/showpost.php?p=205161&postcount=58

Well, of course, I signed mine "DB", not "CO", but anyway.

All that he has said in this thread, and now with your message-conversation, really proves what he is up to in my book, and how he thinks: That unless one cater to his whims and sense of language (yes, I know), he will go out of his ways to put people down, call them all sorts of things, all in an ill-informed, ill-guided attempt to make people speak "respectfully". The trouble is, of course, that this has very little to do with language, but most to do with what you're actually communicating. And in this sense, it's quite disparaging watching chris thinking he's fighting for the good, all the while burbing and vomitting hate.

One of the things I was surprised at ("about"?) in the conversation with Guillermo, is that Chris apparently is willing to come and "embarras" Guillermo and family, all because of the use of "Jap motorcycles". Now, call me idjit, but to me that's akin to "you poked at me with your finger in a place I'm rather ticklish, now I will drop you upside down the head with a 2x4". Frankly, it seems a bit fascist (I'll explain, if someone needs it or wants it).

I am simply stunned about how Chris is taking this to the extremes, frankly. Is he uncapable of seeing that although he from the get-go seems to have a small point (good intentions, that is), that he's in fact the one spreading "hate" and so on?
At times like this, I'm glad I'm not anywere near guys like that, all things considering.


Now, copying a hull? Well, why not?


Nah, just kidding. At least I'm kidding if it's a somewhat recent design. I mean, the Megin-dinghy I have often linked to is more or less a direct copy of a viking vessel. Of course he didn't make a mold, but still. My own small boat is made from off-sets from a boat propably made in the 1890's.
More recent boats, the game changes quite a bit, and I would never consider it anything but a copy if the topsides were made higher.

Come to think of it, high topsides sucks on most boats (just an opinion). I like them low, just like that aussy-ones, I cannot remember the names of. They were usually made of tons of kauri, iirc. Morgans? No, something-something-gans. Sheesh!

 

Gents, I'm going to back off and not persue this further. The initial and subsequent responses directed against my comment has been shown to be just one in a number of cluster-posts from Chris, so in that respect it is not personal.

I'm also going to edit my previous post and replace detail with simple descriptions Small Producer Scheme 1, 2 and 3. I kinda get nervous leaving commercial strategies on an open forum.

Once again I regret this thread went wayward as a consequence of a comment I posted, for whatever reason.

Richard