My New S&G Trimaran

Discussion in 'Boat Design' started by Chris Ostlind, Dec 14, 2005.

  1. Chris Ostlind

    Chris Ostlind Previous Member

    Duckworks Magazine for Boatbuilders has just published an article I have written about a new design I have developed in the expedition sailing canoe class.

    The boat is called the XCR. This is an expedition quality, S&G marine plywood constructed, decked canoe designed specifically for homebuilders who want to sail and paddle to far away places.

    I'd be pleased to hear from any BoatDesign Forum member who has a comment or question about the design.

    http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/06/designs/xcr/index.htm

    Sorry Doug, it's not a foiler... yet.

    Chris Ostlind
     

    Attached Files:

  2. Doug Lord

    Doug Lord Guest

    Tri

    But will the main hull plane? Nice job!
    PS-What does S&G mean?
     
  3. Chris Ostlind

    Chris Ostlind Previous Member

    The planing thing won't happen either, I'm afraid. Just have to settle for a decently lively, displacement sailing canoe with amas.

    S&G means the style of build is a marine plywood, Stitch and Glue, construction method. It allows for fairly quick assembly times for builders who are not interested in the more involved, strip building methods. Loss of efficiency in the water for a well designed hull is right around 1-2%.

    Chris
     
  4. Doug Lord

    Doug Lord Guest

    S&g

    Thanks Chris.Duh-shoulda got that! Just pulling your leg about planing.....
     
  5. Chris Ostlind

    Chris Ostlind Previous Member

    "Just pulling your leg about planing....."

    Yeah, it's now become a running gag of sorts and I enjoy it.

    Chris
     
  6. sharpii2
    Joined: May 2004
    Posts: 2,249
    Likes: 329, Points: 83, Legacy Rep: 611
    Location: Michigan, USA

    sharpii2 Senior Member

    Just the sort of design concept I love to see. Real boats for real people.

    But will the unstayed masts be able to stand up to the massive righting moment of this hull system?

    Bob
     
  7. Chris Ostlind

    Chris Ostlind Previous Member

    Unstayed mast question

    That's a good question, Bob. I can only answer the dilemma by offering the experience I have with several other sailing canoes and sea kayaks.

    The two attached images show boats I have done in the past. Both were shot while we were in the middle of a circumnavigation of Catalina Island off the California coast.

    I'm not an engineer, so I don't have that kind of answer for you with hard data. What I do have is the many years of acually using these rigs on boats of this type in everything from mild to wild conditions with no mast failures to date.

    I'm of the opinion that the very small amounts of hull, thwart, aka and ama flex are partly responsible for the forgiving aspect of the overall design. The rest of the durability comes from the stick itself and the fact that I haven't mistreated the boat in tough scenarios.

    Chris
     

    Attached Files:

  8. icetreader
    Joined: Jan 2003
    Posts: 217
    Likes: 1, Points: 28, Legacy Rep: 12
    Location: USA

    icetreader Senior Member

    crab claw?

    Hi Chris,

    Looks like a boat that's fun to sail.
    Have you considered a crab claw sail rig? :)

    Yoav
     
  9. Chris Ostlind

    Chris Ostlind Previous Member

    Surfacing from the dungeon

    After getting wound-up in several client build projects, the XCR canoe/trimaran has finally had her first sailing session this past weekend. I dug waaaay back in the archives for this thread so that the whole thing might have some context from the previous imagery.

    The project was originally a prototype of my own design and it sat in the shop while I built other people's boats. I got to it when I could and that wasn't often.

    Then, out of the blue a client stepped-up and offered to purchase the boat and indicated that he wanted me to do the completion of the build. So, the project went immediately to the front of the line on the shop schedule and last Saturday, the XCR saw its first sail.

    There is always this exciting and even a little bit dread-filled experience the first time you set a boat in the water. I'm happy to say that the dread aspects almost immediately flew away when the boat sat nicely on her lines and the rigs installed quickly.

    Winds were on the light side at 5-6 knots, but the boat did sail away cleanly with good helm response. When the wind died, the boat was extremely easy to paddle like an ordinary canoe, and we stroked the boat back to the beach with little effort involved.

    Later in the day, we got a breeze up around 10 knots for about an hour and got a twinkling of an idea as to how well she would be able to crank when tuned and flying.

    This design can be used as a decked expedition canoe for paddling when all the sailing stuff is dropped away (amas, akas, rudder, leeboard, rigs) It can be used directly off the trailer with a reduced beam as a motor launch with a 2hp outboard. It can be rigged as shown with twin 56 sq. ft. sails on self-supporting masts for smooth, quick sailing adventures. Lot's of versatility in a straight-forward package giving the owner many choices as to how to use his boat on any given day.

    This boat is a bit of an homage to the Kruger Cruiser expedition canoe. I did this design, with a few of my own touches, to allow homebuilders a chance to have their own version of the Kruger, ready to sail as a trimaran, for about half of what you'd spend on the Krugerized version.

    All in all, it was a very satisfying experience with this new (dusty) design.
     

    Attached Files:

  10. frosh
    Joined: Jan 2005
    Posts: 621
    Likes: 14, Points: 0, Legacy Rep: 44
    Location: AUSTRALIA

    frosh Senior Member

    Nice boat, but if it doesn't plane it aint worth S---T

    Hi Chris, Today I am not wearing my own hat as I write this little posting to the launch of your S & G Trimaran.
    I am for a brief minute Doug L.
    "What do you mean it don't plane. And even more pathetic, where are the monofoils, (actually 2 centre-line foils) but only an idiot would think that this should be termed a bifoiler.
    This tri is going to get creamed by my new Aerosail 14,16,18. (I'm not quite sure which one I will build first, but it won't matter, your S & G will look like it has extreme backward rapidity.
    Good luck, I'm sure you won't sell any, so no one will have to suffer the lack of performance.
    PS If you decide to suddenly introduce lifting hydrofoils, don't bother with a wand system like on Fastacraft Moths. I have made them obselete already.
    Don't get too upset by all this --- Only kidding", signed Doug. ( you know which one). :p
     
  11. waikikin
    Joined: Jan 2006
    Posts: 2,440
    Likes: 179, Points: 73, Legacy Rep: 871
    Location: Australia

    waikikin Senior Member

    sold

    Frosh, I thunk(past tense of think) from Chris's post he alreaddy sold one(past tense of sell?) or is there s- bagging & sicasm at work? Regards from Jeff:confused:
     

  12. frosh
    Joined: Jan 2005
    Posts: 621
    Likes: 14, Points: 0, Legacy Rep: 44
    Location: AUSTRALIA

    frosh Senior Member

    Did I make a mistake?

    Hi Jeff, jee-z, I thunk he sold one. OK then, after Doug's boat review he wont sell any more!
    Regards, Sam
     
Loading...
Forum posts represent the experience, opinion, and view of individual users. Boat Design Net does not necessarily endorse nor share the view of each individual post.
When making potentially dangerous or financial decisions, always employ and consult appropriate professionals. Your circumstances or experience may be different.