Is the ocean broken?

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  1. hoytedow
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    As the land rises the New York port authority is actually having to blast bedrock to keep the channels open. No sea level rise there. Too close to the pivot point in the Great Lakes region.
     
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    Outside my skillset.
    Posting from my phone, .'. mobile view.
     
  3. ondarvr
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    I was relocated.

    I had riverfront property, right above me the county, state and other groups combined to do some bank enhancements to prevent erosion.

    I didn't want any money spent on my property because I've lived on the water almost my entire life and know how it turns out.

    The enhancements lasted until the first higher water event, and totally failed, most of it washed away. This made my property far more vulnerable to erosion.

    We knew this would happen as soon as they started the project because of the design.

    They bought my property and turned it back into a natural space, sort of a wild land park.

    I sold it for less than market value so this could be done.

    I can't see spending money to fight nature, you always lose. Retreat and relocate is typically much more efficient in the long run.

    And, I bought another place on the water, bad habits are tough to break.
     
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    New York’s Sea Level Has Risen 9” Since 1950
    The sea level off New York’s coast is up to 9 inches higher than it was in 1950.1 This increase is mostly due to the slowing of the Gulf Stream and New York’s sinking land, and it’s causing major issues....

    The sea level around Battery, New York, has risen by nearly 9 inches since 1950. Its speed of rise has accelerated over the last ten years and it’s now rising by 1 inch every 7-8 years.....
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    NYC mayor has a $10 billion plan to protect Manhattan from rising seas
    Sea level rise due to climate change has long been a cause of concern for New York City. According to the Lower Manhattan Coastal Resilience survey, released today, 37 percent of lower Manhattan will be at risk for storm surges by 2050. By 2100, sea levels could rise by as much as six feet, scientists say. “We don’t debate global warming in New York City. Not anymore,” wrote de Blasio in a post in New York Magazine. “The only question is where to build the barriers to protect us from rising seas and the inevitable next storm, and how fast we can build them.”
    Port of New York and New Jersey
    ......The natural depth of the harbor is about 17 feet (5 m), but it was deepened over the years, to a controlling depth of about 24 feet (7 m) in 1880.[13] By 1891, the Main Ship Channel was minimally 30 feet (9 m) deep. In 1914, Ambrose Channel became the main entrance to the port, at 40 feet (12 m) deep and 2,000 feet (600 m) wide. During World War II the main channel was dredged to 45 feet (14 m) deep to accommodate larger ships up to Panamax size.

    In 2016, the Army Corps of Engineers completed a $2.1 billion dredging project, deepening harbor channels to 50 feet (15 m) in order to accommodate Post-Panamax container vessels, which can pass through the widened Panama Canal as well as the Suez Canal.....

    The channel of the Hudson is the Anchorage Channel and is approximately 50 feet deep in the midpoint of Upper Bay.[19] A project to replace two water mains between Brooklyn and Staten Island, which will eventually allowing for dredging of the channel to nearly 100 feet (30 m), was begun in April 2012.....

    In many areas the sandy bottom has been excavated down to rock and now requires blasting.....
     
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    I was looking at Miami as the test case for what cities will do when the water rises. It's often suggested to look to the Netherlands with their system of dikes and dams and pumps, but Miami and a lot of Florida bedrock is porous limestone, old reefs that is likened to Swiss cheese. It doesn't seem as if dikes and dams will work if the water rise is coming up through the ground itself. I wonder who will pay for all the protection from rising seas that cities will need? Mexicans? Will it be another example of American Socialism, the type where we privatize the profits to the wealthy and socialize the losses to the poor? Will the blue states have to bail out the red welfare states as per usual? I can't imagine how rising water can be kept out of Florida. "Daytime flooding" is the term being used for rising sea levels where the Bi-annual King Tides are now replaced by monthly full moon flooding events. It doesn't even have to rain to have a flood now.

    Miami is racing against time to keep up with sea-level rise
    By KEVIN LORIA | April 12, 2018

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    Miami is racing against time to keep up with sea-level rise https://www.businessinsider.com/miami-floods-sea-level-rise-solutions-2018-4

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    https://i.postimg.cc/tRMqdLqW/NY-uplift.jpg
    50 meter lift over the course of 25,000 years.

    New Yorkers are more concerned with what happens over the next 50 years.
     
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    The water is not rising, the East Coast is subsiding. That is how tectonic plates move. The West Coast is rising, therefore the Rockies.
     
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    All the Great Lakes of North America are glacial lakes and so are all examples of huge melted glaciers by previous non anthropogenic global warming. Alas future climate change science is a pseudo science, since science doesn't understand how the earth works yet, so they can't predict major natural influences like earthquakes and volcanic eruptions even an hour ahead, yet the this pseudo science claims they can make climate predictions without taking these unknown major influences into the equation, to solve this lack of knowledge a new species of deniers of natural events and their effects has developed, who pay lip service to this huge future climate pseudo science industry.
     
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    Vous êtes sur leur jeu.
     
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    Osay earnedlay!
     
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    State of fisheries worldwide « World Ocean Review https://worldoceanreview.com/en/wor-2/fisheries/state-of-fisheries-worldwide/
    "Things are gradually getting worse
    The results are alarming, because the pressure on fish populations has been escalating for years. According to the current SOFIA Report, the proportion of overexploited or depleted stocks has increased from 10 per cent in 1974 to 29.9 per cent in 2009. After temporary fluctuations, the proportion of fully exploited stocks rose during the same period of time, from 51 per cent to 57 per cent. The proportion of non-fully exploited stocks, in contrast, has declined since 1974 from almost 40 per cent to only 12.7 per cent in 2009.
    A clear trend is therefore emerging: as far as overfishing and the intensive exploitation of the oceans are concerned, the situation is not improving; it is slowly but steadily deteriorating. It is interesting that the total annual fish catch has been fluctuating for about 20 years between a good 50 and 60 million tonnes. It peaked in 1994 at 63.3 million tonnes. In 2011 a total of 53.1 million tonnes was landed – about four times more than in 1950 (12.8 million tonnes). The FAO, however, records the catches of not only fish but also other marine species such as prawns, mussels and squid. If these numbers are added to those for fish, total catches are much greater. Accordingly, for the past 20 years the total marine catch has been a steady 80 million tonnes annually. The peak was reached in 1996 with 86.4 million tonnes. In 2011 it was 78.9 million tonnes."

    Sustainable Fisheries - Ocean Conservancy https://oceanconservancy.org/sustainable-fisheries/
    "Over the past four decades, we’ve made real progress toward ending overfishing in U.S. waters and rebuilding fish populations. These achievements are thanks both to a visionary law that establishes long-term fishery management as a primary goal and to the hard work and sacrifice of fishermen and managers across our coasts."

    Hummo_O
    There is definately something fishy going on here and if the ocean isn't broken, something sure is.

    -Will (Dragonfly)
     
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    The massive glacier that formed the Great Lakes is disappearing and greenhouse gases are to blame for its untimely demise

    All that's left of the colossal ice sheet that sprawled over much of North America and formed the Great Lakes is a kernel of ice in the Canadian Arctic—and it's dwindling fast.

    Today, the Barnes Ice Cap, a glacier about the size of Delaware on Baffin Island in Canada, is the last remnant of the mighty Laurentide Ice Sheet. But after 2,000 years of stability, the ice cap is expected to vanish in the next 300 years as an unparalleled rise in heat-trapping greenhouse gases has brought on an alarming rate of melting since the 1960s.

    Scientists say the warmth of the past century exceeds any in the last 115,000 years, and perhaps even longer, according to a study published in January.

    "If the Barnes Ice Cap has almost never disappeared in 2.5 million years, and it's disappearing now, then it's giving us the context that it's warm as it's ever been in the last 2.5 million years," said Gifford Miller, a professor of geological sciences at the University of Colorado Boulder and a researcher who has extensively studied the ice cap on Baffin Island.
    References:
    Rapidly receding Arctic Canada glaciers revealing landscapes continuously ice-covered for more than 40,000 years

    The projected demise of Barnes Ice Cap: Evidence of an unusually warm 21st century Arctic
     

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    Latest climate study predicts disaster for oceans, coastlines and life as we know it

    ......The new four-year study, published in the journal Review of Geophysics by an international team of 25 top experts, indicates average global temperatures are now very likely to increase 4.1 to 8.1 degrees Fahrenheit. That’s at the high end of the range consistently predicted by major climate studies going back to 1979.

    The study indicates a 95 percent certainty that a doubling of atmospheric carbon dioxide concentrations — which we’re on target to hit in the next 50 years or so — would exceed the 3.6 degrees Fahrenheit (2 degrees celsius) worst-case goal that most nations agreed to in the Paris climate accord.

    Beyond that threshold, climate scientists predict sea-level rise that will flood many coastal cities, intolerable heat waves and other extreme weather conditions and permanent damage to many ecosystems.....
     
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