Is the ocean broken?

[Flotation]

Do you agree human activity such as industry, transportation and agriculture is emitting gasses on such a scale that the composition of that relatively thin layer of our atmosphere is changed? And that change has an impact on weather?

 

[hoytedow]

No. Liberal tears cause abnormally high tides only until the water vapor cycle equilibrium is restored.

 

[Flotation]

This seems a good time and place for a quote from our esteemed forum member "hoytedow":

"This thread is dedicated to the principle that if you don't have something positive to say, especially concerning fellow forum members, it is best not to say anything."

These wise and inspired words announced the start of a thread spanning multiple years.

Do you really believe burning about 15.000.0000.000 tons of fossil fuels yearly does not affect the thin layer of air surrounding our earth and thereby our oceans?

On a positive note, it's not to late to change our habits.

 

[hoytedow]

You might try not taking everything so personally. Snowflakes only endure on mountain tops. They can't take the heat down below where humanity lives.

 

[Flotation]

You might try not taking everything so personally. Snowflakes only endure on mountain tops. They can't take the heat down below where humanity lives.

I've been tying to find where i took things personally but all i can find is evidence spanning ~180 pages of someone taking personal offense in basic science.

 

[hoytedow]

Lies do not equal science.

 

[Flotation]

Lies do not equal science.

An industry that sells 15.000.000.000 tons yearly of something is going to protect it's interests. There is evidence the fossil fuel industry spends close to a billion per year to spread lies about it's impact on climate change:

Meet the Money Behind The Climate Denial Movement | Smart News | Smithsonian Magazine https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/meet-the-money-behind-the-climate-denial-movement-180948204/

 

[hoytedow]

Your Prius runs on coal. Electricity isn't magic. It comes from somewhere. Stay warm.
When your governor asks you not to charge your vehicle because the grid can't support it, what will you do?
Broken wind farm blades worry local farmers, residents near Lexington https://www.wind-watch.org/news/2020/09/29/broken-wind-farm-blades-worry-local-farmers-residents-near-lexington/

 

[Flotation]

Your Prius runs on coal. Electricity isn't magic. It comes from somewhere. Stay warm.
When your governor asks you not to charge your vehicle because the grid can't support it, what will you do?
Broken wind farm blades worry local farmers, residents near Lexington https://www.wind-watch.org/news/2020/09/29/broken-wind-farm-blades-worry-local-farmers-residents-near-lexington/

Glad you agree we need to find a way to provide the world with power responsibly.

I've seen wind-watch.org mentioned before in the climate debate. Here's some interesting information on
Tom Stacy, member on the board of directors of wind-watch.org since 2010:

"As far back as 2008 Stacy had established ties to the Heartland Institute, another fossil fuel-funded think tank behind controversial attacks on climate science and renewable energy policies. In 2010, Stacy would reveal that his group, Save Western Ohio, had a “network of experts” that included the Heartland Institute and “experts from the energy industry” who worked together to “promote and market” anti-wind power views"

Tom Stacy: A top anti-wind activist who got paid by a fossil fuel funded group https://www.energyandpolicy.org/tom-stacy-anti-wind-activist/

You are concerned about lies obfuscating the climate debate and the impact climate change has on our oceans. Do you have a response to the fact a billion dollars a year is spend to promote lies?

 

[hoytedow]

Fossil fuels are the best for humanity. They are the most economical and the least polluting.

 

[hoytedow]

6 pounds of gasoline propels my truck 27 miles, even in the dark when there is no wind. That's efficient. How far will a ton of coal push your Prius?

 

[Flotation]

Fossil fuels are the best for humanity. They are the most economical and the least polluting.

6 pounds of gasoline propels my truck 27 miles, even in the dark when there is no wind. That's efficient. How far will a ton of coal push your Prius?

There is a lot to unpack here, I'll try to keep it simple.

You seem to think the Prius is an electric vehicle, it is not. It's a hybrid. Fun fact: The first hybrid car was build more than a hundred years ago by a guy named "Porsche". Even people absolutely clueless about cars know this name so maybe it rings a bell.

Electric cars are perfectly capable to be driven when there is no wind. It's not like they are connected to windmills by an extension cord.

Electric cars do not pollute more than fossils fuel ones. This misunderstanding is forgivable as it is one of the lies backed by that 1.000.000.000 dollar budget.

Which brings us back to the question: Can you grasp that the fossil fuel industry's 1.000.000.000 dollar budget dedicated to promoting lies about it's impact on climate and the oceans pollutes the debate?

If the question is to complex for you to comprehend please let me know.

 

[hoytedow]

I'll try to keep it simple for you.
I don't give a rat's *** about your opinion. Green energy is a liberal wet dream and a scam to siphon money from the pockets of gullible sheeple. It's a big swindle and you are a tool of tyranny if you can't see how you are being used.

 

[Flotation]

I don't give a rat's *** about your opinion.

You are confusing opinion with facts.

I'll try to keep it simple for you.

I'll use pictures this time.

tool of tyranny

Actual tyrants are kept in the saddle to protect the interests of big oil.

Iran was the first real democracy in an oil-rich part of the world until they went against the interest of western oil companies. The US effectively destroyed this democracy in an attempt to protect these companies, resulting in the rule of a bunch of tyrants, the one below being the latest:

Iran went to war with another tyrant we supported with weapons, to protect our oil interests:

Until that tyrant went to war with yet another tyranny ruled country that supplied us with oil. We are still friends with the last tyrant of that country, and supply him with weapons:

We send soldiers into this mess we created, to support the interests of the oil companies:

There are also millions of locals oppressed and killed in this oil-fueled conflict but we don't give a rat's *** about those.

Real patriots who truly support decentralized government, decentralized energy supply and freedom generate the power to drive their vehicles from their own rooftop. Independent from global corporations.

Big oil is scared shitless by the prospect of more sensible people following this example. So they spend about a 1000x this pile of money per year on climate lies alone to protect their position in the global energy supply chain:

And to spread lies about the impact on our oceans:

gullible sheeple

lol, yeah.

 

[ImaginaryNumber]

You are confusing opinion with facts.

+1

Hoyt's posts alternate between being Trollish, and keeping his membership in good and regular standing in a religio-political alternative-facts tribe.

It brings to mind the quote about wrestling with pigs.

Never Wrestle with a Pig. You Both Get Dirty and the Pig Likes It – Quote Investigator https://quoteinvestigator.com/2017/07/08/pig/