Is the ocean broken?

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  1. Will Gilmore
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    Entanglement.

    It doesn't really explain it, but giving something a name seems to satisfy a lot of people's need to know.

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  2. ImaginaryNumber
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    Key Atlantic Ocean current system could be collapsing
    • A study found evidence that the Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation is approaching a collapse
    • The AMOC includes the Gulf Stream, which contributes to mild temperatures in Europe
    • Sea-surface temperature and salinity patterns suggest that it is becoming less stable and could collapse
    • Contributing factors include freshwater inflow from the melting of the Greenland ice sheet and sea ice, as well as precipitation and river runoff
    • A different study published earlier this year found that the AMOC is the weakest it has been in a thousand years
    • A collapse of the system is unlikely before 2100
    The study was published in Nature Climate Change
     
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  4. Will Gilmore
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    You mean Europe may be entering another Ice Age while the rest of the World bakes?

    It seems that we might be looking at the solution to our problems if the Gulf Stream collapsed.

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    Could be? Might not be.
     
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    "A collapse of the system is unlikely before 2100"

    Of course they will say that, it gives them plenty of time for half baked 'solutions'!
    A few years ago, democrats were saying we had 12 years to fix global warming, after that world will be destroyed...
    It has been couple years since that prophetic announcement. They must be getting very nervous about the coming world destruction.

    (1) 12 years to fix global warming, after that world will be destroyed. - Bing

    What we need to do is not live out their delusions.
     
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    Agreed. Unite against tyrants.
     
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    The citizens of Europe might disagree with you.

    Plus, the heat that the Gulf Stream is currently conveying to Europe will have to go somewhere, and whoever gets it might not be too happy, either.
     
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    What you need to do is differentiate between scientific consensus (which the AMOC article was not, by the way), and the bloviating of a politician -- Democrat or Republican.
     
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    consensus is meaningless beyond mass hysteria. Opinions aren't facts and consensus is only commonly held opinion. Claims of consensus often narrow the group qualified to hold opinions to those in the group think or a particular philosophy of politics. Consensus is meaningless except to those claiming they have one, instead of having factual data..
     
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    That's a bad stutter you have developed
     
  13. ImaginaryNumber
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    We've long known that you had a low opinion of the scientific process, but for those interested scientific consensus is an important part of the scientific process.

    Scientific consensus
    Scientific consensus is the collective judgment, position, and opinion of the community of scientists in a particular field of study. Consensus generally implies agreement of the supermajority, though not necessarily unanimity.[1]

    Consensus is achieved through scholarly communication at conferences, the publication process, replication of reproducible results by others, scholarly debate,[2][3][4][5] and peer review. A conference meant to create a consensus is termed as a consensus conference.[6][7][8] Such measures lead to a situation in which those within the discipline can often recognize such a consensus where it exists; however, communicating to outsiders that consensus has been reached can be difficult, because the "normal" debates through which science progresses may appear to outsiders as contestation.[9] On occasion, scientific institutes issue position statements intended to communicate a summary of the science from the "inside" to the "outside" of the scientific community. In cases where there is little controversy regarding the subject under study, establishing the consensus can be quite straightforward.

    Popular or political debate on subjects that are controversial within the public sphere but not necessarily controversial within the scientific community may invoke scientific consensus: note such topics as evolution,[10][11] climate change,[12] the safety of genetically modified organisms,[13] or the lack of a link between MMR vaccinations and autism.[9]
     
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    Many failed prophecies for climate doom have come and gone. Here is one from Al Gore
    Al Gore's Doomsday Clock Expires & Climate Change Fanatics Are Wrong Again | National Review
    I thought of this story as I watched Rush Limbaugh’s Al Gore “armageddon” clock expire. In January, 2006 — when promoting his Oscar-winning (yes, Oscar-winning) documentary, An Inconvenient TruthGore declared that unless we took “drastic measures” to reduce greenhouse gasses, the world would reach a “point of no return” in a mere ten years. He called it a “true planetary emergency.” Well, the ten years passed today, we’re still here, and the climate activists have postponed the apocalypse. Again.

    There’s a veritable online cottage industry cataloguing hysterical, failed predictions of environmentalist catastrophe.

    A list of failed doomsdays
    18 spectacularly wrong apocalyptic predictions made around the time of the first Earth Day in 1970, expect more this year | American Enterprise Institute - AEI
     

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    Often, even facts are just a matter of opinion.

    Since it is far more rare that we can be absolutely certain of a scientific law or fact, there is an important roll for consensus in science. Perhaps even more important is the roll of the descenting opinion. Without the doubters, the independent investigators, the square pegs on a field of round holes, when would we have discovered the New World, when would we have embraced Newton's Laws of motion, or Galileo's theory of gravity, or coppernicus' solar system, or vitamin C as a cure for scurvy, or sterile technique, or the concept of the imaginary number? The list goes on and on and on and on...

    We must embrace a common consensus to realize work, we must have the doubters to test and vet our ideas against and we must have the independent revolutionaries to force us to step up to the next level.

    -Will
     
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