Is the ocean broken?

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  1. ImaginaryNumber
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    Yes, it is actually 60%, an even larger amount, and even more alarming.
    Yes, you very consistently don't believe any science that disagrees with your point of view. What happened to all those Antarctic ice cores that you so proudly presented to us a few posts ago?
    Many top skeptical scientists, like Roy Spencer, Judith Curry, and John Christy, have received, and continue to receive, government funding. They have not been bullied, though when they make mistakes in their work they are challenged, as are the alarmists when they make mistakes. The bullying meme you are so fond of is only a feeble attempt to obscure the fact that science does not support your point of view.

    Fact of the matter is you're the bully, as shown here.
    I am amazed, but not impressed. I always thought that people in the US were too reality-based to be sucked into so-called "alternate realities." I was wrong. The future does not look nearly as hopeful to me as it once did.
    Time is not on either of our sides. But science clearly does not support your point of view.
     
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    Landmark study casts doubt on controversial theory linking melting Arctic to severe winter weather
    • It's common for weather reporters to say: "As Arctic sea ice melts and the polar atmosphere warms, the swirling winds that confine cold Arctic air weaken, letting it spill farther south."
    • However, the most comprehensive modeling investigation into this link suggests that even after the massive sea ice loss expected by midcentury, the polar jet stream will only weaken by most only 10% of its natural swings
    • Although sea ice loss has continued, there are few signs of colder winters in Eurasia or North America, more cold extremes, or more frequent weakening or waviness in the jet stream
    • In addition, the modeling also found no coherent sign of a second proposed effect of reduced sea ice: more frequent disruptions of the stratospheric polar vortex—a second set of swirling winds, much higher up
    • Other researchers note that the new model doesn't take into account how so-called atmospheric rivers deliver warm tropical air to the Arctic
    • And new evidence from weather records, published last month in the Journal of Geophysical Research, suggests the jet stream actually has gotten slightly wavier
    The research was presented at the annual European Geosciences Union meeting.
     
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    hoytedow Carbon Based Life Form

    Don't try to control us. You will fail. Don't try to enslave us. It has been tried before, without success. Mind your business and stay out of ours. If your business is minding our business you need a new business.
     
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    Bravo! Hurrahs! Well said!
    I would add, don't expect us to pay for your pipe dreams. You may rationally expect a bill of owed debt mailed uniquely to those parties who supported the pork barrel spending. Garnishments and property attachments to follow. Hold those responsible who spent irresponsibly.
     
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    Greenland ice sheet on brink of major tipping point, says study
    • The Jakobshavn basin, in Greenland, is on the brink of a tipping point, after which accelerated melting would become inevitable even if global heating was halted
    • It is close to a vicious circle in which melting reduces the height of the ice sheet, exposing it to the warmer air found at lower altitudes, which causes further melting
    • The ice equivalent to 1-2 metres of sea level rise was probably already doomed to melt, though this would take centuries and melting the whole ice sheet would take a millennium
    • “We might be seeing something that is happening in many parts of Greenland, but we just don’t know for sure, because we don’t have the high-quality data for other parts.”
    The study was published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences
     
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    Just think how cold it had to be to even start building the ice sheet. Whenever that whole process started, it had to have been cold enough for long enough at sea level that the whole vicious cycle reversed. I hope it wasn't we humans that started it. I know there was a year that all of Penobscot Bay froze over and horse and sleigh could be takes to islands nearly ten miles off shore. upload_2021-5-21_10-51-47.png
    Apparently it did it again in 1971.

    -Will
     
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    The average lapse rate is about 6.5 degrees C per 1000 m. How high is the Ice Sheet?

    -Will
     
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    Sounds real definite. :rolleyes:
     
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    How many decades have lapsed while eminent disaster or tipping points have been forecast and kixked further down the road when it didn't happen? Fool us once shame on you, fool us twice, shame on us for believing you a second time. Only fools believe AGW claims. AGW must be guilty of dozens of false predictions by now.

    PolitiFact - Fact-checking claims that Al Gore said all Arctic ice will be gone in the summer by 2013 https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/mar/02/facebook-posts/fact-checking-claims-al-gore-said-all-arctic-ice-w/
     
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    Since when do the pronouncements of a politician represent the consensus view of the scientific community? If you want to know what the evolving climate science consensus view is read the many IPCC reports.
     
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    Nations Must Drop Fossil Fuels, Fast, World Energy Body Warns
    • The International Energy Agency is not an environmental group but an international organization that advises world capitals on energy policy
    • The IEA has issued a detailed road map of what it would take for the world’s nations to slash carbon dioxide emissions to net zero by 2050
    • Most of the carbon dioxide generated by power plants, factories and vehicles will have to be eliminated or offset, such as by forests or artificial technologies
    • Every nation will need to move much faster and more aggressively away from fossil fuels than they are currently doing
    • The annual pace of installations for solar panels and wind turbines worldwide would have to quadruple by 2030
    • This is one potential timetable suggested by the IEA:
    • This year, nations would stop approving new coal plants unless they are outfitted with carbon capture technology to trap and bury their emissions underground. Nations would also stop approving the development of new oil and gas fields beyond those already committed.

    • By 2025, governments worldwide would start banning the sale of new oil and gas furnaces to heat buildings, shifting instead to cleaner electric heat pumps.

    • By 2030, electric vehicles would make up 60 percent of new car sales globally, up from just 5 percent today. By 2035, automakers would stop selling new gasoline- or diesel-fueled passenger vehicles. By 2050, virtually all cars on the roads worldwide either run on batteries or hydrogen.

    • By 2035, the world’s advanced economies would zero out emissions from power plants, shifting away from emitting coal and gas plants to technologies like wind, solar, nuclear or carbon capture. By 2040, all of the world’s remaining coal-fired power plants are closed or retrofitted with carbon capture technology.

    • In 2035, more than half of new heavy trucks would be electric. By 2040, roughly half of all air travel worldwide would be fueled by cleaner alternatives to jet fuel, such as sustainable biofuels or hydrogen.

    Net Zero by 2050
    A Roadmap for the Global Energy Sector
     
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    "Every nation will need to move much faster and more aggressively away from fossil fuels than they are currently doing"
    Or else?
    Screw.
    We don't take orders from internationalist alphabet soup organizations. IPCC, IEA etc. can just go eff off. Effing usurper approves foreign pipeline and shuts ours down!
    He who laughs last laughs best.
     
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    • 20200828_154435.jpg "Most of the carbon dioxide generated by power plants, factories and vehicles will have to be eliminated or offset, such as by forests or artificial technologies" Here's my forest(carbon sink). Where's yours?
     
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    Screenshot_20210522-103022~2.png Nice!
    Keep stacking that cordwood.
    Are you paying your carbon tax?
     
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