Is a floating house a vessel?

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  1. gonzo
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    since its not vessel would that mean it's liable for housing taxes?
     
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    It depends on the jurisdiction. In some places, like South Florida, they tax them like houses if they are tied to shore. On the bright side, they can get water, electricity and sewage services like any house. I think many other jurisdictions are going to look at this decision and use it to collect taxes or regulate them. Floating casinos are going to have a problem.
     
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    This is a big issue in Seattle where there are hundreds of "houseboats". These are literally a house on a barge. Many have no means of propulsion. Most are required to be hooked to water and sewage, and they have city electricity as well. But if it has an engine and is capable of moving on it's own it is a boat. This has been fought over as long as I can remember (I grew up here) and still leads to battles between the owners and the city.
     
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    There is legal clarification now. I don't know how liveaboards on a powerboat without engines will be classified.
     
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    A restoration project/hobby?
     
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    A liveaboard
     
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    I see, a restoration boat before mounting the engine.
    No engines in liveboards?
     
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    No. Liveaboards have no need of an engine. It take space and smells, so it is better to remove it.
     
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    Let's stay on topic please
     
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    Awww come on Gonzo. A little humor is refreshing. I thought that to be a nifty boatmans joke. :D

    Back to the general subject................ Not too long ago there were a number of houses built on stilts out in the middle of Biscayne bay (Miami). The tax authorities and the owners of the unique dwellings had a round of arguments that were interesting to observe.

    There was once, maybe still, a whole community of floating homes in the Seattle area. Maybe some are still there. I do wonder what the zoning rules and taxing regulations were/are.
     
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    In the Florida keys they make a distinction. The difference seems to be whether the utilities are permanent or not.
     

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    They are still there. http://www.seattleafloat.com/ just one of several websites devoted to the Seattle houseboat community.

    Here's another http://seattlefloatinghomes.org/
     
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