Investor wanted for Shipyard project in Asia

Discussion in 'Projects & Proposals' started by Mike Peters, Sep 9, 2012.

  1. Frosty

    Frosty Previous Member

    I dont know either but im going out in a minute and will meet a guy who will know.
     
  2. aquform
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    Alik

    Molds are in Chonburi city near global home store.

    About 45 minutes from you in Pattaya
     
  3. aquform
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    aquform Senior Member

    Markus Ladenstein the owner and designer esigned and engineered all the boats that came out of the yard here in Thailand. We also had a Thai Naval Architect that had done his training in the UK. They did not use any outside design services and also did not offer any design service outside of the company.

    The Thai Naval Architecht then started his own company in design and engineering but is mostly specialising in ships. The last time I talked to the Thai Naval Aritecht they were designing a tanker for a Thai company that would be built in Korea.
     
  4. Alik
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    The boat of 85' can not be designed by one person even with help of one Thai NA. We have 4 naval architects, 2 designers and 2 system/electrical engineers to handle the projects and such a project gives us full load for one year.

    Of course, I am talking about proper design, say for classification.
     
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    The maths doesn't add up for me. 8 people can do it in 1 year (2 less qualified than the others). Why can't 2 qualified people do it in 4 or 5 years (same number of man hours or more?)
     
  6. Alik
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    Or one guy can make it in 8 years? :)

    This does not work; add guy's training time to obtain all together qualifications in naval architecture, composite engineering, systems/mechanical, electrical design, interior styling and design of furniture, exterior styling, renderings, knowledge of regulations, etc. Some of those qualifications should be supported by certificates. Every new software will require 3-6 months of practical study, provided one has a background.

    But I understand that almost every backyard boatbuilder can cover it all :D
     
  7. BPL
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    8 years could exceed your "outdated" time limit. Although you didn't answer how yours was more up to date than a 2007. Is it styling or performance?
     
  8. Alik
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    Alik Senior Member

    I should not comment on that :)
     
  9. aquform
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    In terms of outdated designs there is some designs that can still look nice even after 4 or 5 years.
    The Boat in the pictures are a Ladenstein 68 and 74 these were built in Thailand from 1995 to 2007 in the factory in Pathumthani at around 3 to 4 boats a year. Both boats come from the same mold with different mold inserts for side windows and port hole inserts. the mold is adjustable from 68 to 74.
    The boat was designed in 1991 with the first compleated boat and production molds finished in 1994. The molds were then shipped to Thailand and production started in april 1995.

    So for a boat designed 21 years ago I do not think that is is that much dated in design even by todays standard, obviously the systems have been updated along the years but the exterior design has stayed the same.

    Alik
    When you are a production boatbuilder and are building 70-80 foot boats as well as numerous other fiberglass products your design times drasticly reduces. For instance the structual design of these boats were made by Diab the producers of divinicell, Not sure if they still do it today but they sent a structural design engineer to work with us on the laminates for free. Seartex the german glass producer also offerd the same service. When you are using tons of materials on monthly basis suppliers are a little more helpfull and forthcoming this goes for most systems in the boat, you can ask a supplier to provide the design and engineering drawings to incoprate into your design, they wont do this if you build 3 12ft dinghy's a year but they will if you build enough boats. This drasticly reduces a lot of your design times.

    P.S. Alik. I am working on a projetc designed by you at the moment. Very nice boat i must say.
     

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  10. Alik
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    Yes agree that some designs do not come out of fashion for long time, but for potential buyer of such motoryacht 'new design' sounds much better than 'we have old molds'.

    Say, today the boat of this size is likely to have IPS/Zeus drives ans get one extra cabin, but the design should be done accordingly. At least, existing moldings should be modified.

    Actually, we were offered this 68-74' hull mold for our project but I rejected, as it is better to purposely design and optimize hull for speed/load than making big compromise from beginning.

    Regarding use of subcontractors for design - yes one can use DIAB (or CCG as their new branch), but it won't save any time because it will involve complicated communications of many parties and multiple re-work. Also make sure these guys know what they are doing and not removing watertight bulkheads or changing structural arrangement (that will effect other sections of design), as it happened to us few times. Same regarding the interior - one can hire interior design company but it will take a year to complete and at the end You get bunch of colour pictures and wallpaper/tile samples but no structural drawings of furniture and no weight/CG estimates for interior.

    Thus, now we do everything in-house including advanced composite analysis, interior, systems, etc. If we need to provide bulkhead penetrations for piping or cable trays, or combine interior finishing with structural elements, it will be finalized in few minutes by members of the same team, having full control on design.
     
  11. Frosty

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    I find that its not the hull or deck that ages, but the shape of the window that will age the boat in 10 years.
     
  12. watchkeeper

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    The Ladensteins in the photos look very similar to early Gulfcraft boats and they weren't pretty boats.
    The combined window design and rising brow forming the cockpit overhang was heavy and stubby looking.
     
  13. Frosty

    Frosty Previous Member

    Don;t you think all boats look like another . I mean its just a boat how different can you get.

    It gotten like that in any industry, you cant tell the difference between a Honda Toyota or Mitsubishi or a Nissan oh and in the motorcycle world I give up.

    For me choosing anything on looks has long gone, errr except women.
     
  14. aquform
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    all widows and portholes were inserts in the mold. as you can see in the pictures the 2 boats are from the same mold but the side windows are compleatly different. you can change window profiles any time you want.
    Reason for this is because the deck mold did not have a joint through the center line so any recess for windows etc would have to be a insert in the mold otherwise it would never come out of the mold. This also lets you do little tweeks to the window design to prolong the life of the mold in terms of style, does not give you a totally new design but helps in keeping up with the joneses.
     

  15. watchkeeper

    watchkeeper Previous Member

    To get back to the topic it's interesting to note the original poster wanting an investor has still yet to reply to my offer or bothered following up with another posted response.

    He also stipulated no PM which seems odd to say the least again for someone legitimately looking for investor(s).

    I think it's safe to rule this a troll
     
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