"Inspired" by gas prices...

Discussion in 'Gas Engines' started by die_dunkelheit, Feb 28, 2012.

  1. hoytedow
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    Corn isn't the best...but sugar cane won't grow in N America.
    Supposedly some sugar beets may give 50-100% higher yields per acre but who knows yet,still won't be enough.
     
  3. Boston

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    well ya don't run alcohol in a diesel engine, so not sure why your asking about buying one. Not sure where your getting your gas or if your making it but its not free unless you also get the feedstocks free

    as for why use corn, it was popular and still is for making alcohol. I don't agree with using it, but it still the primary feed stock as far as I know
     
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    Using food for fuel is scary. It cant be sustainable and poses moral questions. .

    Also consider that food crops will be genetically engineered to produce a higher energy output. This engineering to benefit the market value of big energy business at the expense of the food supply could be dangerous
     
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  6. hoytedow
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    Take U.S. Highway 27 from South Bay to Interstate 75 and sugar cane is about all you will see.
     
  7. CatBuilder

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    All I can say to the doubters (without giving away my free sugar source) is you wouldn't survive post civilization.

    You don't understand your natural environment well enough to live without a grocery store.

    And that is some good sugar, Hoyt! They make great raw sugar.
     
  8. WestVanHan
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    I know it's there,but it's a negligible amount compared to the arable land in the US and esp. Canada.I have a friend on Shark Key so I've been to the area.
    Theres like 650 square miles,of which 300 was sold a few years ago to reclaim the Everglades. So that leaves about 350...which is 20 miles by 18 miles....not a whole lot.
    In the basis of fuel,that means very little-whereas beets will grow all over.

    Just like people here have a palm tree in a sheltered area in their yard,and wrap it up in the winter with insulation and heat cables and exclaim-"See..palm trees grow in Canada!!!"
     
  9. CatBuilder

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    Now this man will survive... he gets the environment. :cool:
     
  10. hoytedow
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    Don't forget about Louisiana. http://www.amscl.org/SugarMills.htm

    If need be we can always replant the Everglades. We did it once and we can do it again.
     
  11. hoytedow
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    We can use the sugar maple sap too.
     
  12. CatBuilder

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    Hoyt!! It's like the geographic area we have in common... don't give all the secrets away! :D
     
  13. hoytedow
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    Aphids make sugar. No they don't. They eat the sugary sap. Oops. Ants farm the aphids for what the aphids turn the sugar into.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aphid

    Technically, anything an aphid eats would be a good source of sugar for us.

    "Sucrose concentration is directly reduced by assimilating sucrose toward metabolism and by synthesizing oligosaccharides from several sucrose molecules, thus reducing the solute concentration and consequently the osmotic pressure.[14][15] Oligasaccharides are then excreted through honeydew, explaining its high sugar concentrations, which can then be used by other animals such as ants."

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oligosaccharide
     
  14. hoytedow
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    No problems with that. Nobody takes me seriously anyway.
     

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    I'm running my boat on ants...sugar ants...and who said hybrid would not work!
     
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