Idiot posts cluttering up the forum

Discussion in 'Forum Questions and Suggestions' started by tansails, Mar 19, 2006.

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  1. Guillermo
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    Guillermo Ingeniero Naval

    C'mon, man, this is second time you do this! Admit you cannot live without me! :D
    I think you're that kind of persons needing someone whom to hate and project on them all accumulated childhood frustrations and traumas, which, in your case, are pathological.
    :rolleyes:
    Well, from now on, let's talk boats and no ego or macho games.
     
  2. trouty

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    Damn

    Dammnit!

    The mans 'onto me'! ;) :D

    Lets see how it goes eh?

    Infra penny infra pound as the saying goes!:)

    Cheers!
     
  3. VKRUE
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    VKRUE Just another boat lover

    Idiot Postings ???

    Tansails,

    Lighten up...............................

    You've been around this forum since JANUARY OF 2006 (not much longer than I) and you're trying to bully around the very people that have been dominating this forum for years ???? What's up with that ?

    Sure, there is a lot of clutter about things that aren't exactly associated with the "SUBJECT" but, when was the last time you had a real conversation with another HUMAN her on earth.

    WE ALL STRAY FROM THE SUBJECT... It's part of conversing. If you open your eyes & ears you can learn from the clutter as well.

    It was a hard lesson for me but, I eventually learned that there are things to be learned from the dumbest of the idiots... Believe it or not !

    Quit yer bitchin' and get on with learning.

    :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
     
  4. Moss
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    Moss Junior Member

    Don't do yourself down, Max. It looks like a fine vessel to me. I'm busy with a similar (although rather smaller) project (20ft ply sharpie) and trying to keep costs down by picking up bits and pieces wherever I can find or make them, so your project approach impresses me greatly.
    As a matter of interest, how exactly does your version of a sprit sail look? At first glance I thought you'd gone for some sort of lateen rig, which I was considering as a simple and cheap possibility. Any experience/thoughts on aftmast rigs of the (single-masted ketch) Runningtide type? Basically, what I'm looking for is something that is both cheap to buy/make, easily demountable for trailering, and uncomplicated to sail singlehandedly or two-up. Not asking for much, am I?
     
  5. DanishBagger
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    DanishBagger Never Again


    Strike one!

    ;)

    Seriously, though, that one is propably in the wrong thread.

    VKRUE, good post indeed :)
     
  6. Moss
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    Moss Junior Member

    It was a response to a posting on this thread. Wouldn't make much sense to post it on a different thread, now would it? Given the dominant subject matter, I'll refrain from insulting anyone this time.
     
  7. DanishBagger
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    DanishBagger Never Again

    No, no, Moss, you misunderstood me. I was joking when I said "strike one"!

    And I was obviously mistaken when I thought it was in response to another thread.

    And you certainly didn't "insult" me. That's for sure.
     
  8. marshmat
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    Well, so far I've tried to stay quiet in this fray. I would like to share one statistic though.

    A year ago, I read this forum every couple of days and contributed to about 50% of the threads under "New Posts".

    Over the last month, I've read this forum every couple of days and only find anything relevant enough to contribute to in about 8-10% of the new posts.

    Random, offensive banter is making it very difficult to sort the wheat from the chaff. When legitimate questions are posed, they quickly get hidden under four or five posts of careless rudeness. Witness the "women on boats" thread (or any other thread where the presence of a female becomes obvious), or the "new propulsion technologies" threads which often get cluttered with long rants about topics the posters clearly don't understand and are making up off the top of their heads.

    I will stick around, of course. Hopefully those who are stirring up the trouble will soon come to the realization that they're not helping those of us who use this forum to discuss boats and boat technology. Good luck with the cleanup, Jeff. I'll still be here when you're done.
     
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  9. DanishBagger
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    DanishBagger Never Again

    Well, I don't see that much, frankly.

    I go over new threads once in a while, seeing if there's something to subscribe to, then, when I have subscribed, I only get those threads. Until next time I go through them.

    P.S. Did you really contribute to 50 percent of the threads? That's a lot, methinks.

    Seriously, are you sure that the 8-10 percent isn't where the norm ought to be?
     
  10. marshmat
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    marshmat Senior Member

    A year ago, I did typically subscribe to, and add to, about half of what showed up in "New Posts". Just about everything then was about boats, and there weren't nearly as many 'new' things going up as now.
    That I now only bother to subscribe to 10% of what's on here is, in my eyes, an indication that useful dialogue is a lot harder to find now. Lately I have seen a lot of good threads get hijacked for no real end whatsoever. And a lot of newbies have been turned off by the rudeness and arrogance of a very few vocal posters. I do think we need to solve this, we're already losing a lot of really interesting people to this pointless fight.
     
  11. DanishBagger
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    DanishBagger Never Again

    I doubt that you (as in "one"), finding more than 10 percent useful is the norm in so many places, and things. Simply because of diversity.

    You ("one") cannot have it both ways, getting diversity, and finding that, say 80 percent, 50 percent, or 100 percent, should be to one's liking, interesting, and what have you.

    And then we're back at elitism.

    I do feel sorry for posting my dhmo-thread, seeing that "a few vocal" elitist minds think that everything should be so streamlined, so narrow, so much rule-riding of a site, that they, and only they, can speak.

    Yes, a few "newbies" (I am one, myself) have been turned off on this site, but if you read a few posts up, you will notice, that because of the few vocal _elitists_, Moss took a reply, that was meant to be taken with a glint (right word?) in the eye, as a serious one. As if I was one of the elitist minds around here.

    Isn't it ironic how some things come around to bite one's rear?
     
  12. M&M Ovenden
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    Thanks Matt for your interventions in threads about women. Even as fairly open minded women it gets quite anoying to find out any thread were women appears gets detoured in tit-talk or cars (how cliche and boring).
    That tendency to rudness and out of context comments do keep me from posting. Humour and stabs once a while are fine and fun but when it becomes the general feeling you get out of a forum I loose my interest. Otherwise the concept of a forum on boat design is great and I trully appreciate most of the info and knowledge I can find here.
     
  13. DanishBagger
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    DanishBagger Never Again

    Hmm, I just took a look at the "Similar threads" down below.

    Take a look at this thread:

    http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/showthread.php?t=5580

    It's from 2004, and whooptydoo, take a look at post number three.

    My point is, that some friendly banter has been going on for a very long time, and if you guys want to prevent it, ban people and what have you, you will make your field of exposure even narrower than what it seems to be at the moment.

    Another thing is, and I have just discovered this (yes, yes, I must be dead slow up there), that tansails has only been here a fortnight more than me, and he's already adopting an elitist attitude. He hasn't even been here for three months yet.

    That certainly make me view this thread and the elitists in an even starker light.
     
  14. JonathanCole
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    Isn't calling someone an "elitist" a form of elitism? (I'm better than you) We don't need to be calling each other derogatory names. If you disagree with what someone says, explain why you think it is wrong. Don't kill the exchange by telling people what they are. You can't really be sure any way, so it is not only insulting and infuriating, it also invites escalation of hostility, something that the human race really has a bad history of. People need to be respectful in an educational forum. This is not a competition, it is a free and open exchange of knowledge, experience and ideas. Let's keep it alive by treating our fellow contributors with respect.
     
  15. DanishBagger
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    DanishBagger Never Again

    Is calling someone an elitist a form of elitism? Hmm, is not tolerationg intolerence intolerance? To use an example:

    Someone goes "Bloody [insert racistic term]". I go "Hey, come on, we should all tolerate each other, we should all be able to be here". Then saying that the one calling the racist intolerant is intolerant himself is not a good solid argument, simply because there would be less tolerance if people were accepting extremists, racists, intolerance and what have we.

    Sidetrack? nope, same idea, different words.

    "Am I better than you"? Because I call elitism when I see it? Sure, that is the reason. It's certainly not that I simply just disagree with the notion, that I think we should all be here, and that it would indeed become an elitist place if the few vocal ones calling for a narrow site, with no place to converse in a relaxed way got their will. Does that make me better than them? Yes, if you think that is better. And no, if you don't? However, you seem to forget that I am not the one calling for intolerance, they are.

    I, and others, have argued before in this thread why this is smack full of elitism, there's even a couple in the latest. It's certainly not name calling.

    I _have_ explained in the posts above, and in every other post I have made in this thread why I consider this elitism, and you go focusing on some misconception that I shouldn't use a description that fits, simply because by doing so, I am fitting that description (which, btw, let me emphasize, is a circular argument, that isn't based on a sound principle).


    Let me repeat: Defending tolerance against intolerant people is certainly not intolerant, whereas being tolerant to intolerance is naivity, that can go very wrong (think pre-WWII). This is not as bad, of course, but the mere notion that it's somehow okay to be intolerant is scaring the craps out of me, and if it works as an argument here, it works in "the real world".
     
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