I was wondering if anyone could tell me if this odd boat forsale near me is seaworthy

Discussion in 'Sailboats' started by Mickey1234, Jun 24, 2018.

  1. Mickey1234
    Joined: Jun 2018
    Posts: 5
    Likes: 0, Points: 1
    Location: Toronto

    Mickey1234 Junior Member

    It WEST system , 33ft , has a Cylinder yanmar engine and is cutter rigged, ultimately I'd like to sail from onOntar to Newfoundland, the price is definitely right can this boat do it or will it flip over and sink as soon as I leave the dock ? Thanks Screenshot_20180624-161215.png Screenshot_20180624-161215.png Screenshot_20180624-161215.png IMG_20180623_180144.png Screenshot_20180624-161215.png
     
  2. upchurchmr
    Joined: Feb 2011
    Posts: 2,869
    Likes: 89, Points: 48, Legacy Rep: 579
    Location: Ft. Worth, Tx, USA

    upchurchmr Senior Member

    Are you able to find out the designer and model?
    If they are selling they should be able to tell you.
     
  3. Mickey1234
    Joined: Jun 2018
    Posts: 5
    Likes: 0, Points: 1
    Location: Toronto

    Mickey1234 Junior Member

    It say it's a Jay Benford design custom build I found some similar boats but nothing exactly the same
     
  4. troy2000
    Joined: Nov 2009
    Posts: 1,743
    Likes: 170, Points: 63, Legacy Rep: 2078
    Location: California

    troy2000 Senior Member

    Looks like it might be Jay Benford's 30' cutter Arrt…
     
  5. Mickey1234
    Joined: Jun 2018
    Posts: 5
    Likes: 0, Points: 1
    Location: Toronto

    Mickey1234 Junior Member

    I know it's cutter rigged
     
  6. JosephT
    Joined: Jun 2009
    Posts: 841
    Likes: 98, Points: 28, Legacy Rep: 218
    Location: Roaring Forties

    JosephT Senior Member

    Suggest contacting Benford to help in identifying the model. Then, as with any boat purchase, get a survey done by a professional surveyor in your area. It looks seaworthy from the pictures, but you will need a professional survey done to reveal any problems including workmanship, mechanical, electrical, engine, rigging, etc. etc.

    Never buy a boat without a survey. Only hire someone from the Society of Accredited Marine Surveyors.

    A List of Every Marine Surveyor in Ontario http://www.pcmarinesurveys.com/Every%20Marine%20Surveyor%20In%20Ontario.htm
     
    fallguy likes this.
  7. kvsgkvng
    Joined: Jan 2012
    Posts: 212
    Likes: 8, Points: 18, Legacy Rep: 49
    Location: *

    kvsgkvng Senior Member

    If this boat has
    • displacement-to-length ratio between 200~300,
    • sail-to-displacement ratio between 15~16,
    • ballast-to-displacement ratio between 40% ~ 50%
    then I would say it suits my understanding of "seaworthiness" and I would buy this boat based on physical condition, equipment, sails, rigging, price, etc.
    Based on my understanding it is "a lead sled," because most likely it would not have those parameters.
    JMHO
     
    Mickey1234 likes this.
  8. fallguy
    Joined: Dec 2016
    Posts: 2,141
    Likes: 143, Points: 63, Legacy Rep: 10
    Location: usa

    fallguy Senior Member

    This is really interesting.

    Would you expound a little?

    Thanks.
     
    Mickey1234 likes this.
  9. BlueBell
    Joined: May 2017
    Posts: 857
    Likes: 93, Points: 28
    Location: Victoria BC Canada

    BlueBell Ahhhhh...

    Have it surveyed or take it out for a spin.
    Or both.
    That'll tell you if it'll "flip over and sink as soon as I leave the dock".

    The owner should pay for half the survey and then get to keep it, if you don't buy the boat.
     
    Mickey1234 likes this.
  10. kvsgkvng
    Joined: Jan 2012
    Posts: 212
    Likes: 8, Points: 18, Legacy Rep: 49
    Location: *

    kvsgkvng Senior Member

    Disp./Length defines how "heavy" the vessel is and it affects motion comfort among other things.
    Sail Area/Disp. mostly would help to predict and understand light wind performance.
    Ballast/Disp. helps to keep the hull upright in rough seas and high winds.
    Just to consider that the total displacement must also accommodate useful payload such as crew, supplies, equipment, fuel, spare parts and repair materials, etc.
    Also if this vessel is made out of plywood (not steel/aluminium), as flat surfaces may indicate, beware of hull problems as it appears to be rather old boat.
    Another thing to consider among other things, if you are going "all the way blue water," coastal cruising, gunkholing or beaching.
    JMHO
     

  11. motorbike
    Joined: Mar 2011
    Posts: 157
    Likes: 10, Points: 18, Legacy Rep: 87
    Location: Beam Reach

    motorbike Senior Member

    Dont do it!
     
Loading...
Forum posts represent the experience, opinion, and view of individual users. Boat Design Net does not necessarily endorse nor share the view of each individual post.
When making potentially dangerous or financial decisions, always employ and consult appropriate professionals. Your circumstances or experience may be different.