I think she is a beauty

Discussion in 'Powerboats' started by dskira, Oct 31, 2009.

  1. dskira

    dskira Previous Member


    Par I can't say you are incorrect, yes the old Cadillac were not as good as the new one, that for sure, but old hull, very efficient hull are far better than the one we have now. The engine engineering made possible to push a shoe box the the planing stage. The hulls are going down the wrong path.
    By force 6 you can't take a Ferreti, nor any overbloated crap, with a center of gravity on the radar, to take a ride safely, but yes you can take any well design smooth and efficient hull and you can go thru the worst with not pleasure (bad weather in a motor boat is always a bad experience) but more safely.
    Now a modern shoe boxes need 1000 hp to push water, prewar and good design need far less power to not push water. Look at a Sunsikeer trying to speed up, it is pathetique.
    The interior is so more important to sell the product on the showroom.
    I am comparing apple and apple, you don't, boat are not airplane nor car.
    Don't let the marketing crap taking the best of you. Battle for the good cause, efficient hulls, small engine, natural speed, no fuss, and let the gadgets were they belong, on the shelfs of Waste Marine, and the aluminum 5000 hours life span (if that) 1000 hp to the manufacturers.
    I am not a old fart thinking of the good old time, I am a designer who know the difference beween crap design from a marketing corporation and efficient design by a good designer.
    And as I said, a good heated discussion is part of the passion we all have for boat :p

    Richard, thank you for the pictures. I love the exemples you show. Who don't :)

    Thanks
    Cheers
    Daniel
     
  2. Tad
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    I think you are talking about proper proportions, rather than comparing styling. The styling can be anything if you start off with reasonable proportions. The first picture in this thread exhibits really good proportions, but add a pilothouse where the dudes are up top......and it's all downhill.....

    Whether there's a break in the sheer or not is just styling. For a long time I blamed the disappearance of breaks in the sheer on the early design software....now it owes much to the high cost of tooling. I think a break (or two!) adds distinction (differentiation?) and grace (styling) to any boat. But I don't think every boat needs a break in the sheer, or that having one will somehow make her a "classic".

    An example of a modern break adding classic proportions (IMO)....

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    And a classic break....

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    Two breaks that work together....

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    A modern boat incorporating classic features and style......

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    A big break.....with a view to adding classic elegance to large motoryacht style.......I think the proportions are good for 165' boat, but the accommodation is not comparable to the current four deckers.

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    And finally a modern boat of really classic proportions.....again the accommodation is tiny in comparison to the investment, thus it's the owner's choice what is important.

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  3. dskira

    dskira Previous Member

    I agree with you Tad, the owner choice when he knows what is want is important.
    By classic I mean the hull type mostly, with the superstructure in accordances. Even with modern styling.
    It is the shoe box hull with huge bluff bow to put the island double bed in the chain locker almost, which make me wounder of the sanity of the designer.
    But the accommodation should (in a perfect word) follow the best shape for the use intended not the other way around as it is the trend.
    I know that you don't sale without huges accommodation in a giving lenght, it is a pitty, because the result is huge engines, and finally the owner get so tired to pay thousand of dollar in fuel bill that the boat end up tied at the marina.
    With a slander and correct hull, less accommodation perhaps but more sailing :)
    By the way Tad, great design, I always admired your style.
    I hope you don't miss Maine to much :)

    Cheers
    Daniel
     
  4. hoytedow
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    It has a certain"rumrunner" quality to it.
     
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  6. YuriB
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    This one is for sale now
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  8. apex1

    apex1 Guest

    May I inform you peers, that the thread opener Daniel Skira decided to quit his membership on this Forum!

    Repeated personal attacks by some of our well known drivel and destruction experts, made him decide to leave.

    We have lost a well respected NA with a sensible hand for drawing classical beauties.

    A man of good temper and a sense for harmony and nice behaviour.

    It is a pity that such people are pissed off here by two or three internet rowdies.

    Regards
    Richard
     
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